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98mm Ski Test--Stockli Stormrider 95, Blizzard Bonafide, K2 Annex 98, Nordica Hell and Back (from 2 skiers perspectives)

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Test Location: Big Sky, MT

 

Conditions: Variable, some fresh snow and windblown, overall soft and typical montana conditions (not deep, but consistent)

 

Skier Types:
 

Jed P: 5'10", 240 pounds, 37 y.o. Independent leg, power through type style. Tends to crush through things more than "dance over" them. 

 

Warren S. skier type: Advanced on groomers, Advanced intermediate off-piste. 6'1", 205lbs., 71 years young. Boots are Technica Diablos w/ intuitions. 

 

Video of how people ski:
 

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25Uzl7VG5njWj;2407E3C9-35CC-4822-BD7E-6FFB992E4B26

 

(Jed P. is in Blue Jacket/Brown Pants, Warren S. is in Black/Black and the man)

 

Skis:

 

Stockli Stormrider 95, 183cm:

 

Jed P: Best ski I have ever skied, but the ski must be skied from the front of the boot/ball of the foot/arch. Must be pressured to make a turn, doesn't like to slide. Power in gobs to spare, tends to like a "racer" type technique and stance, rather than feet together or "sliding" style.  Regarding float, the ski likes to push/power through rather than "float" on top of the snow. It basically begs to hit things (crud) hard and blast through them rather than dance over impediments in the chop. 

 

Warren: First ski to actually ALLOW him to carve turns. OUTSTANDING on the groomers, but not a ski he could push all day long. The ski must actively be skied, making the skier more tired and have to be "on" all day from start to finish. While an outstanding groomer ski, probably not something he'd want to buy due to the fact that the ski is just too demanding. Not a "fun" ski or playful, it begs to be pushed and pushed hard.

 

K2 Annex 98, 177cm:

 

Jed P: While I thought I would hate this ski, I was quite pleased with it's off-trail suitability and easy, gentlemanly like manner both off and on-piste. I didn't feel like this ski did anything in particularly wrong, but it was just "there", kind of like driving a Toyota Camry. It was simply automatic. If I was on skis all day teaching, I think I would reach for these. More apt to slide than carve, but will make a shorter turn than the other skis in the test. NOTE: The more I skied it the more I liked it.

 

Warren S: Just like his Apache Outlaws (2007, 88 under foot) Not playful, just kind of "there". Rather dead. Did everything "okay" but didn't really shine and wasn't outstanding in any one regard.

 

Nordica Hell and Back, 177cm:

 

Jed P: Light, playful groomer ski. Wanted so badly to be "more" than it was (it did excel at groomers) but just couldn't get there, as there was not enough power to get from edge to edge in quick GS race style turns. Float in soft snow/crud was worst of the group and least fun. Felt again, like an old time ski, very traditional in feel. Stiffer tail and straight-ish shape helped in the groomed. 

 

Warren S.: Better than the K2 on the groomed, helped with the carving of a turn. Again, a notch above the K2 off trail, but not overwhelmingly so. Float was better than the stockli or K2.

 

Blizzard Bonafide, 180cm: 

 

Jed P.: An excellent "all day" ski that excelled in variable conditions and not so much on-trail. Probably a 60 off/40 on ski. Could be used to make all turn shapes, and was just a touch more demanding than the K2, but not overwhelmingly so--in fact, it made it a better ski, as it was able to do more. Float was a touch above the stockli, and could bounce and play more so than the stockli. Very impressive soft snow performance, and on groomers did everything "okay". If the stockli is a Porsche 911 and the K2 is a Camry, this ski would be a BMW M3. Refined and gentlemanly but with a touch of "go" if you want it.

 

Warren S: This is the perfect ski. On and off groomers, it does everything well. Completely transformed my skiing. Carving, floating off trail, the number one thing was that the ski allowed me to ski all conditions (relative to pitch/gradient) and make the same turn/look the same. Allowed me to ski longer and with less worry or issue. 

post #2 of 10

Thanks for the reviews.

 

I have been trying to get on some Stormriders (95s or 100s) and have the Bonafide as one of my two primary everyday skis along with MX88s.

post #3 of 10
Nice video. Looked like you all were enjoying a nice day on the hill. Nice reviews also. I hope I can move like Warren when I'm his age. Awesome.

Jed -- how are you liking the Arc Sabre pants/jacket?
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Originally Posted by Drahtguy View Post

Nice video. Looked like you all were enjoying a nice day on the hill. Nice reviews also. I hope I can move like Warren when I'm his age. Awesome.

Jed -- how are you liking the Arc Sabre pants/jacket?

Yep, he's my step dad--well has been for 30 years so it's been quite some time! 

 

Regarding the jacket and pants, they work just fine. Doesn't pretty much everything in that price range?

post #5 of 10
No kidding. I just bought those exact pants. Only have two days in them. Loving them so far, especially the big pockets.
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just perusing reviews, as I was thinking of getting a new ski and thought I'd add my 2cents to your nordica perspective. not affiliated w/ any company or shop, just enjoy testing skis and adding what I can to the public knowledge.

 

"Nordica Hell and Back, 177cm:

 

Jed P: Light, playful groomer ski. Wanted so badly to be "more" than it was (it did excel at groomers) but just couldn't get there, as there was not enough power to get from edge to edge in quick GS race style turns. Float in soft snow/crud was worst of the group and least fun. Felt again, like an old time ski, very traditional in feel. Stiffer tail and straight-ish shape helped in the groomed. "

 

 

Thx for the reviews: 

between not liking the hell and back, and loving the bonafide I imagine we have very different ski tastes, and once again, I think it comes down to weight more then anything else.

 

this is a quick video of me on the hell and back, not on a groomer.

19mm shape isn't straight to me, and tail is lively, but not punitive imo.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMUeS49hvOQ

 

I skied the kabookie (good ski), and FX 94, (really good ski,) during this trip, and neither was as good as hell and back for float, playfulness and power. 

speaking of tail, kabookie is very similar feel, but they cut the shape out of the tail, it's similar to tailless hellnback.

 

It shows once again how important demoing is, and how important weight is.

 

your notes say 240lbs, and 205, I weight 170, and am a finesse skier...

 

looks like fun trip based on your video and cabin location... !

 

Cheers,

Holiday

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Originally Posted by Holiday View Post
 

just perusing reviews, as I was thinking of getting a new ski and thought I'd add my 2cents to your nordica perspective. not affiliated w/ any company or shop, just enjoy testing skis and adding what I can to the public knowledge.

 

"Nordica Hell and Back, 177cm:

 

Jed P: Light, playful groomer ski. Wanted so badly to be "more" than it was (it did excel at groomers) but just couldn't get there, as there was not enough power to get from edge to edge in quick GS race style turns. Float in soft snow/crud was worst of the group and least fun. Felt again, like an old time ski, very traditional in feel. Stiffer tail and straight-ish shape helped in the groomed. "

 

 

Thx for the reviews: 

between not liking the hell and back, and loving the bonafide I imagine we have very different ski tastes, and once again, I think it comes down to weight more then anything else.

 

this is a quick video of me on the hell and back, not on a groomer.

19mm shape isn't straight to me, and tail is lively, but not punitive imo.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMUeS49hvOQ

 

I skied the kabookie (good ski), and FX 94, (really good ski,) during this trip, and neither was as good as hell and back for float, playfulness and power. 

speaking of tail, kabookie is very similar feel, but they cut the shape out of the tail, it's similar to tailless hellnback.

 

It shows once again how important demoing is, and how important weight is.

 

your notes say 240lbs, and 205, I weight 170, and am a finesse skier...

 

looks like fun trip based on your video and cabin location... !

 

Cheers,

Holiday

 

 

What is with that crappy Cascade Cement you are skiing in that video man?  Yuk, nobody should ever come here to ski.

 

post #8 of 10

definitely crappy snow... :).

 

i like mt. Bachelor!

 

cheers,

Holiday

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

Nice turns!

 

I don't want to say that I DIDN'T like the Hell n back....I just thought there were better skis for me amongst those tested....it had more personality than the K2, but didn't perform near as well as the Bonafide...if that makes sense.

 

Must be because I'm a fat ass. 

 

*hey maybe if I get down to 170 I'll be a finesse skier too! :)

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Originally Posted by Jed Peters View Post
 

Nice turns!

 

I don't want to say that I DIDN'T like the Hell n back....I just thought there were better skis for me amongst those tested....it had more personality than the K2, but didn't perform near as well as the Bonafide...if that makes sense.

 

Must be because I'm a fat ass. 

 

*hey maybe if I get down to 170 I'll be a finesse skier too! :)

 

thx Jed!

no name calling going on here :). power is a good tool, one I don't really have...

 

I have just been thinking about skis in this catagory a lot, and believe so much is about mass (weight and velocity), along w/ preferred sensations. I like your skiing and reviews, just wanted to point out a place the review differences may be coming from. sorry for piggy backing on your thread, I may put in review of the 3 i skied this week in Bachelor pow, but used your review a launch...

 

Cheers,

Wade

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