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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

Not sure if this is the correct forum for this...but here goes:

 

I was skiing some steep moguls at Copper on Saturday and noticed when I tried to do some quick turns in the fresh powder my feet were twisting and moving in my boots. I know my boots are the right size...so am I not fastening my boots tight enough or is this normal behavior when trying to turn in the deeper stuff? (or could be bad mechanics/technique too I guess)

post #2 of 29

How do you know they are the right size?

How old are they?

Do they have stock liners?

post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

How do you know they are the right size?

How old are they?

Do they have stock liners?

They are new...bought them last Labor Day weekend and spent an hour getting fitted. I tried on 10 pairs of boots and found ones that felt awesome.

 

I also had this problem with my old boots as well. I just don't know if I have them tight enough or if something else is going on.

post #4 of 29
You probably aren't setting the heel back enough when you put on your boots.
post #5 of 29

Did you get shell fit? If not, it could be that the boot is too big for you, something you may not full appreciate until the liners begin to pack out.

An experiment: yank the liner out. Stick your bare foot into the shell until your toes just brush the front of the shell. Reach down and see how many fingers (index over middle) you can fit between your heel and the shell. While it is a matter of preference, 1 to 1.5 fingers is all you should have there.

If the shell fit is right, try tightening the buckle that brings your foot back into the heel pocket.

Good luck.

D1

post #6 of 29

Feet twisting makes me think that although the length may be correct the boots are too wide.  Did the boots feel comfortable immediately?

post #7 of 29

Wait, you live in Denver and you bought the boots Labor Day weekend.  Did you get them at the famous Sports Authority Labor Day sale?

post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 

The boots felt great when I put them on...I had that "flashing lights/ding ding ding" feeling when they went on my feet. All the other boots felt awkward. It has been awhile, but I do remember the sales guy pulling out the liner and I put the boot on...but that was way back in September...I can barely remember last week now  :-)

 

When I go back up (my boots are at the condo) I will try the "shell test" and see how much room I have with the liner out. With everything you guys are describing, it sounds like maybe I don't have the top buckles tight enough. I get them snug, but not super tight.

post #9 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

Wait, you live in Denver and you bought the boots Labor Day weekend.  Did you get them at the famous Sports Authority Labor Day sale?

I bought them at Colorado Ski and Golf...they were new boots and not the "low price get them out of the store because we have too much stock" boots. My wife, on the other hand, did partake in some good sales for her.

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Spaceace414 View Post
 

With everything you guys are describing, it sounds like maybe I don't have the top buckles tight enough. I get them snug, but not super tight.

No body has mentioned that at all. We are all on the line of your shells are too big ether volume, length or both. Your top buckle would have nothing to do with you foot shifting in the shell. Again with somebody says that the boot felt "amazing" when trying the boots on a red flag jumps into my mind. Sure they felt great if they are to big until they pack out thus foot slop. Get them checked out at a real shop. 

post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by SVmike View Post
 

No body has mentioned that at all. We are all on the line of your shells are too big ether volume, length or both. Your top buckle would have nothing to do with you foot shifting in the shell. Again with somebody says that the boot felt "amazing" when trying the boots on a red flag jumps into my mind. Sure they felt great if they are to big until they pack out thus foot slop. Get them checked out at a real shop. 

So when it is mentioned that "make sure your buckle that brings your heel back into the pocket"...what does that mean then? I assumed that was the top buckles.

post #12 of 29

Top buckle is the top buckle on the boot, Furthest up the boot, The top instep buckle can pull and hold you back in the boot better. The flip side of this is that you have a lot of blood traveling over the top of the foot. If you crank on the instep too much you will loose blood flow to the foot. Also not a good thing.   

post #13 of 29
What kind of boot do you have? 4, 3 or 2 buckle? If the boot felt great in the store... It probably is too big.
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Spaceace414 View Post
 

The boots felt great when I put them on

 

Red flag.  That almost always means that they are too big.  If they don't fell almost painfully snug when you first try them on, when they start packing out your foot will start wallowing around.  Measure the width of the ball of your foot in mm, no sock, standing normal.  And tell us exactly what boot you have.

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by voghan View Post

What kind of boot do you have? 4, 3 or 2 buckle? If the boot felt great in the store... It probably is too big.

I have the Salomon Quest Access 80

http://www.salomon.com/us/product/quest-access-80.html

 

I am very hard to fit with shoes/boots. Don't be fooled when I say they felt amazing...I just mean they are not pinching me and totally uncomfortable. I have very large calves...so that may be part of the problem as they had to get me boots that fit that part of me.

 

Although again...I had this problem with my previous boots which I bought back in 2002. I actually was "professionally" fitted then with custom boot liners and everything.

post #16 of 29

On your next trip up to Copper make a quick stop at Podium Sports in Frisco and have Chris do an evaluation with you.  I'd also have him make you some custom insoles while you're there, too.  Chris is a very cool guy and makes really good insoles that will be the best 150 bucks you ever spend and your feet will love you for them. 

post #17 of 29

I'm with mtcyclist, boots are likely too wide, and my guess the boot fitter may not have been as good as you think.

 

I would also suggest that you ask this as a question in the boot guys forum as you'll get the answers from the top boot fitters for the most part.  The hard part here is that the if the boot is too wide there are a few things that can be done, but little to shrink the shell unless its a Fisher Vacuum boot.

post #18 of 29

Those are really wide boots, 104mm last.

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 

I feel that the "size" of the boot is accurate as the guy put me in the same size as my old boots (without asking and I could not remember what size I wore)...and as I mentioned, my old boots were done by a true boot fitter. Maybe my boots are wider due to my very large calves...which I can't do anything about.

 

I will stop by the recommended place and see what the guys think about it.

 

Thanks for all the info guys.

post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 

I also somehow missed that we have a Boot Fitter section...duh...only been a member here for 12 year. :eek

post #21 of 29

yea, but this is a simpler question that is better for the general audience,

 

as compared to the obscure 4th metatarsal has 4 quarks too much dorsiflexion questions the pro bootfitters will answer.  

 

The bootfitters will say looks like you got off-the rack cheap boots, go get properly fitted.

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 

yea, but this is a simpler question that is better for the general audience,

 

as compared to the obscure 4th metatarsal has 4 quarks too much dorsiflexion questions the pro bootfitters will answer.  

 

The bootfitters will say looks like you got off-the rack cheap boots, go get properly fitted.

Ha...you are probably right. I did go post over there to see what they say...


Edited by Spaceace414 - 2/17/14 at 11:52am
post #23 of 29

You don't get a wider boot because of your calves.  Chances are the nitwit who waited on you doesn't know the difference between a 98mm last and a 104mm last.  I can assure you nobody at Sports Authority does.

post #24 of 29

I have the Quest Access 60 and I'm noticing that my foot is doing the same thing.  I think in my case I'm skiing harder stuff and the liners have packed out.  So I'm headed to Footloose in a couple weeks to get a good boot fitting along with something stiffer.  These boots were great to learn on, but not so much anymore.  Though they were only $200 so I feel I've gotten my use out of them.

post #25 of 29
Thread Starter 

Just an update:

 

I was at Beaver Creek on Saturday and my feet were moving all over the place in the deep snow. I took my boots back to Colorado Ski and Golf on Sunday and they exchanged them for a new pair of Lange boots that actually fit me now. I have not been skiing in them yet but I can certainly tell they "fit" my foot better. There is no moving my feet in these boots...can't wait to get back on the hill!

 

On a side note...Colorado Ski and Golf's exchange policy is nice. You ski in your gear five times or less and you can bring them back for something that will work better for you. Complete honor system as well. I bought these boots back in September and they still did the exchange. I had a herniated disc  early in the season, so I have only been up skiing a few times.

 

Something else I did not know...Vail owns Colorado Ski and Golf. Seems like they are everywhere now. I am a little disappointed to find that out...I was hoping CS&G was a local store.

post #26 of 29
Great to hear about the exchange policy. The consern is to why you need to bring the boots back so soon. IMO, you were sold boots that were to big in the first place.

Were you fitted by a boot fitter or just some kid in retail ? Or did you lose some weight ?

Sorry to hear about disc.
post #27 of 29

I hope this cures your issue and all is well with your new, new, boots.

 

I'm a firm believer in anything that actually touches your body, spare NO expense with regard to comfort and function.  IMO, it serves no purpose to have the greatest skis known to man kind, if your boots don't make your feet and body happy.  Happy feet = happy skiing....

post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post

Great to hear about the exchange policy. The consern is to why you need to bring the boots back so soon. IMO, you were sold boots that were to big in the first place.

Were you fitted by a boot fitter or just some kid in retail ? Or did you lose some weight ?

Sorry to hear about disc.

Yes...the guy did not fit me correctly in the first place. The guy I worked with yesterday was very knowledgeable and knew right off the bat that I was not fitted correctly. He found me a great boot in my price range and did some work on the boot to make sure it was as comfortable as it could be. Excited to get back out there and hit those moguls again (beginner on moguls)...I have a feeling I will do better in boots that will actually respond to my movements and not break my foot trying to turn quickly!

post #29 of 29

Understand that boot liners--especially stock liners--will pack out and the fit will loosen. Most of the packing out occurs in the first five days or so but continues until eventually the liner has to be replaced if the shell is kept. It is very difficult for a skier, especially a relatively inexperienced skier to tell in the store if the fit is good. That's why shell fit--both length and width-- is important. One problem is that in general the higher end and stiffer a boot is the narrower it will be, although some boots come in two widths for the same model. Lower level skiers with narrow feet are lucky--they can be fitted into a stiff, narrow boot and the boot can be softened. Experts with wide feet have a tougher time--it can be hard for them to find a stiff enough, wide enough boot. Also, a boot that fits but has painful spots can be modified and most shops will do this for free up to a point for a year or so if you buy the boots there. 

 

You didn't say what skis you have been on in the powder, but with wide powder skis there's a lot of leverage applied to the foot and any sloppiness in the fit will be magnified.

 

You should not have to really crank down the buckles if the fit is good, although you may have to tighten a notch more or at least micro-tighten the buckles after 5 days or so as the liners pack out

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