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This. Skiing heavy snow sucks, its the one condition that makes me miss snowboarding.

Good! We need more people like you. I think congestion sucks.

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Skierish, I read this a few hours after placing an order for my 4Frnt Devastators.  Ouch!  Made me rethink my buying decision.  Fortunately these skis have treated me well and I have a different take on them.  Yes, they're on the heavy side, and I wouldn't want to cart them up a mountain, but I like that extra heft in the crud/heavy we get here in N. Idaho.  I think their combo of fairly stiff underfoot and heft make them great crud skis.  The rocker lets me surf through the 3D and then I  forget I'm on a rockered ski when things get firm and the entire edge engages.  No problems making small - large turns in firm (firm by NW standards) to fresh/crud.  I've demoed a ton of skis in this class, and these were my favorite by a long shot.  In fact, I bought them shortly after the demo.  On the other hand, I also really like size 10.5 shoes. 

 

Glad you like 'em...truly, as I wouldn't want anyone to waste their hard-earned dough.  My sorta-review just reflects what I found them to be for me...different strokes and all.

To be fair, though, I did say they would crush the snot out o' crud for those he-men that can handle them.  Apparently, I'm just too much the girlie-man.  :mad  Drat...

 

Oh, and I agree they cruise firm groomers just dandy, much like a locomotive on railroad tracks.

This reminds me that I've had a bit of a revelation lately.  My stance at its most relaxed, either skiing or just watching TV, is naturally tense and stiff.  Physical therapists have remarked on it, and one ski instructor suggested weed to help me loosen up.  What can I say, I'm just wrapped tight, I guess.  Anyhoo, other than over-sharing, the point is that I don't think a stiff stance and a stiff ski mix.  I believe if your limbs are stiff and your skis are stiff, you're in for a beating on uneven and firmish junky snow.

 

Thoughts on my theory, you Instructor types??? 

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FWIW this late in the thread, I spent last Saturday after lunch on my 2012 Volkl Shiro's 119mm waist, Okemo's snow was soft, air temp low 40's some sun and cloud's. The snow on the bump trails was sticky in spots.

This was day 1 for those skis. I had a blast on them, they were easy in the natural snow bumps on a trail called Rolling Thunder. Also easy and smooth when changing edges going down the trail the race team trains on, I could not find there speed limit. For reference I have been 65mph on skis. The rockered ski held a nice edge on the soft snow as I dropped my hip in the turns.
Even had a chance to blast down one of the groomers, Scream'in Deamon late in the day when it was full of small bumps from all the skier traffic. The skis just held the arc I wanted no matter how fast I went. The wide tips would just blast over wnything that got in there way.

The next day was a mixed bag of weather, 3/4" of ice up top, soft about 400ft down. The skis held fine on the ice as long as you didn't ask to much of them, hey they are not, SL skis. They did fine on the firm snow for that short time.

I bought these skis without demoing them, just read the reviews on line and I'm a Volkl guy any ways. My everyday ski the a 3y/o Kendo and my crud skis is a 4y/o Gotama.

The shiro's fit right in with that Volkl feel of confidence.

I got them for $270 shipped from skiessentials.com, I checked yesterday and they were sold out of them, sorry.

On a side note, in a lift line I met up with a guy with Katana's, talking with him, that was his 1st day on them, guess where he got them from, yep, same site.

He was having a great day too.
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[quote name="Skierish" url="/t/125904/ My stance at its most relaxed, either skiing or just watching TV, is naturally tense and stiff.  Physical therapists have remarked on it, and one ski instructor suggested weed to help me loosen up.
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Please, please, PLEASE post this in the Instruction forum.
D1
post #185 of 199

The Shiro is high on my list of 'love to try'.  Along with the Liberty Double Helix and the Icelantic Gypsy.  My caveat for any big ski is skiing heavy dense deep snow in New England glades…I am less worried about more open slopes with similar snow (though, they'd have to work there as well).  

 

I've had good luck with the Ski Logik Howitzer and the Icelantic Shaman…but I'm always looking for better luck..

 

How's the Shiro in tricky and tight spaces with heavy snow?  Josh, any info to share here?

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The reviews I read said they were not that good in tight trees. But skiing them in natural bumps they were fun and easy. I'm not into tight man made bumps any ways. I'm guessing they would be fine in normal glade trails.

I did take them across a glade to get to the bumps I wanted. I had to make a couple small turns, they seemed to handle that well.

I would think with a little speed and good skills they would do fine. If you were trying to turn them going like 2 mph they might be a little sluggish.
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The reviews I read said they were not that good in tight trees. But skiing them in natural bumps they were fun and easy. I'm not into tight man made bumps any ways. I'm guessing they would be fine in normal glade trails.

I did take them across a glade to get to the bumps I wanted. I had to make a couple small turns, they seemed to handle that well.

I would think with a little speed and good skills they would do fine. If you were trying to turn them going like 2 mph they might be a little sluggish.


I've had 3 days now on my Shiros, and have been skiing reasonably tight trees and bumps at Sugarbush and camp fortune - all I can say is LOVE.  I'm 5'-9", 180 lb on the 183 mounted +3 (this puts me about 8cm back from true center).  I find them pretty nimble, though they like speed.  Absolutely rock solid in the up to 1 foot of cut up, soft, wettish and other kinds of snow I've had them in so far. The do induce a strong desire to jump off of things.

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 Whats you favorite heavy or dense snow powder ski?

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The gypsies are my powder ski. Love them! Similar to the devastators insofar as they make nice tight surfy turns in the trees and then big wide turns out in the open. I never felt the need to swap out of them as the powder got beat up. I bought the devastators in part because of how much I've enjoyed skiing the gypsies.
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The old Olympus Mons/1010 is damp but great in tight places. Still plenty around. And the BMX108 in a slightly shorter length than we usually go for (178 in my case) is really nice in both wet snow and tight places. Of course if it isn't sexy enough, then suspect the new Stockli's are the ticket for heavier guys, Patrons or Kabookies for lighter. 

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So what's the verdict @Finndog ? What did you end up with?

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So what's the verdict @Finndog ? What did you end up with?

 

 

Hip surgery...... :D

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I will refrain from making any jokes about hip surgery and age.  I'm nice like that. :D

 

 

Pssst, the Nordica Blem Sale should start soon, just saying. 

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Hip surgery...... :D

At least the Protests are wide enough that you can lie down on them! 

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I've had 3 days now on my Shiros, and have been skiing reasonably tight trees and bumps at Sugarbush and camp fortune - all I can say is LOVE.  I'm 5'-9", 180 lb on the 183 mounted +3 (this puts me about 8cm back from true center).  I find them pretty nimble, though they like speed.  Absolutely rock solid in the up to 1 foot of cut up, soft, wettish and other kinds of snow I've had them in so far. The do induce a strong desire to jump off of things.

 



After the skiing the Shiro's the past few weeknds, I have to agree with the "strong desire to jump off of things".

Last Friday as Superstar at Killington softened a bit the Shiro's had the tenacious Volkl edge hold between the natural forming spring bumps. I was in love with the feeling of how easy it was to go straight down the fall line just letting my legs swing from side to side making one turn after the next non-stop to the lift. That was about 2PM. Nice way to end the season.

They also handle high speed well too, one run the buddies phone had us at 67.3mph, the next weekend, with no phone but better lighting, we were much faster then that run felt. I happened to notice the trees zipping by and driving home notice the trees zipping by at about the same pace, 72mph is what the speedometer said.
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I've had 3 days now on my Shiros, and have been skiing reasonably tight trees and bumps at Sugarbush and camp fortune - all I can say is LOVE.  I'm 5'-9", 180 lb on the 183 mounted +3 (this puts me about 8cm back from true center).  I find them pretty nimble, though they like speed.  Absolutely rock solid in the up to 1 foot of cut up, soft, wettish and other kinds of snow I've had them in so far. The do induce a strong desire to jump off of things.

 





After the skiing the Shiro's the past few weeknds, I have to agree with the "strong desire to jump off of things".



Last Friday as Superstar at Killington softened a bit the Shiro's had the tenacious Volkl edge hold between the natural forming spring bumps. I was in love with the feeling of how easy it was to go straight down the fall line just letting my legs swing from side to side making one turn after the next non-stop to the lift. That was about 2PM. Nice way to end the season.



They also handle high speed well too, one run the buddies phone had us at 67.3mph, the next weekend, with no phone but better lighting, we were much faster then that run felt. I happened to notice the trees zipping by and driving home notice the trees zipping by at about the same pace, 72mph is what the speedometer said.

 




You KNOW that you were nowhere near those speeds, right?

Bet you never touched 50
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I've had 3 days now on my Shiros, and have been skiing reasonably tight trees and bumps at Sugarbush and camp fortune - all I can say is LOVE.  I'm 5'-9", 180 lb on the 183 mounted +3 (this puts me about 8cm back from true center).  I find them pretty nimble, though they like speed.  Absolutely rock solid in the up to 1 foot of cut up, soft, wettish and other kinds of snow I've had them in so far. The do induce a strong desire to jump off of things.

 







After the skiing the Shiro's the past few weeknds, I have to agree with the "strong desire to jump off of things".





Last Friday as Superstar at Killington softened a bit the Shiro's had the tenacious Volkl edge hold between the natural forming spring bumps. I was in love with the feeling of how easy it was to go straight down the fall line just letting my legs swing from side to side making one turn after the next non-stop to the lift. That was about 2PM. Nice way to end the season.





They also handle high speed well too, one run the buddies phone had us at 67.3mph, the next weekend, with no phone but better lighting, we were much faster then that run felt. I happened to notice the trees zipping by and driving home notice the trees zipping by at about the same pace, 72mph is what the speedometer said.

 







You KNOW that you were nowhere near those speeds, right?



Bet you never touched 50

 



Gee, burst my bubble....lol Yea, kind of figured that. I know theres a thread about that in the other forum. But we are known to be among the faster skiers on the hill.
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Bit of a resurrection here. Just went through most of this very informative thread and I don't think I ever saw the ski that I have on my radar.  Scott Punisher? Anyone have any thought on this ski as something for my home mountain of Mammoth after heavyish snow falls? Or blower falls but warms and turns to chop suey. thank you

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Couldn't agree more.  The 108 is an awesome ski and definitely lets you up the speed limit in these conditions without feeling like a super burly ski.  Your point about the tail is spot on.  It is very much "there" and can get you in trouble fast in any kind of bumps or trees.  Its not necessarily too stuff per se, just substantail.  I have been saying for a while that a marriage of the Katana and 108 would be my ultimate ski.  The smooth less harsh feel of the 108 with the rocker profile (particularly the tail rocker) of the Katana would be amazing.  

 

I love that Kastle makes "traditional" skis as more and more companies, Volkl included, are putting tail rocker in everything.  But some very subtle rocker in the tail of the 100+ skis would be amazing.

Thanks for chiming in Smails. Funny thing is I have a Marker Cti binding on my BMX108's and I finally moved them 1cm fwd of the line. I had always wondered if that would improve their behaviour in tree's and bumps. We'll happy to report it does indeed help quite a bit! I''d still welcome a small amount of tail rocker (imagine the 2016 update may address this) but if you have the means I would give it a try. Not sure it's worth a remount but I'd consider it if I had to. Quickness is also up and I find them more responsive and easier to smear.  Stability took a minor knock but I think they have plenty left for most of us mortals even 1cm fwd. 

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