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Any suggestions for surviving tight trees beyond take a lesson or learn to turn:rolleyes?
Currently using 180cm  94mm wide Head rock n roll twin tips, camber underfoot, slight early rise. I can handle the wider spaced runs but struggle on the tight steep runs to the extent I'm sure I'll have a close encounter if I keep going the way I have been.
 Main issue is on the semi tracked  trails with well defined roller coaster type tracks, I just take off on these as I cant seem to make enough tight quick turns to control speed and end up chucking wide braking turns to try and slow down. Ugly, hard work and ineffective. I'm working on technique, particularly staying out of the backseat, but wondering how much difference a full camber shorter ski might make?
I'm 185cms and weigh about 80kgs
thanks for any feedback
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Good discussion in that thread but I find that the ol'luge track is a bit of a beast of its own. Whether a shorter, cambered ski would help comes down to whether you're having problems with precision on the turns or controlling speed. If it's the former, I think a narrow cambered ski might help as long as the trees are all packed in, but it sounds like speed control is the bigger issue.

When I'm on a luge track I'm not really controling my speed with carved turns. I do it in three ways: 1. i make a bunch of short, skidded turns while basically going along the path. Really I'm just swishing my tails more than turning. I don't slow down, but it helps me keep from accelerating. 2. I take the opposite of a race line. Rather than aiming to go through any corners as smoothly as possible, I take a line that forces me to make a sharper turn which scrubs more speed. 3. Learn to kill speed by hitting and absorbing bumps, dips, humps, etc.. This one is a bit harder to master, but you can kill off a fair amount of speed by running into a bump and absorbing it with your legs. I'm sure some of the instructors could describe the technique better, but to me it seems kind of similar to the motion if you were jumping on a rock (without skis) and wanted to land, absorb, and push yourself back off a tiny bit.

So what kind of ski would be able to do those things? Width and float isn't really important. Your shorter cambered ski would probably be helpful for method 2 as they might let you make a bit sharper turn, but my shorter skinny skis like to come out of turns with momentum rather than scrubbing speed.

If I was choosing an ultimate luge track ski, I'd probably want something that had a soft tip (for momentum killing bump absorption) and bit of tail rocker so it would be easy to break loose in cruddy snow and to swish a little bit for short turn speed control. I haven't been on it, but it would seem that it fits the bill characteristic wise.

Actually I think that your Rock n Roll 95s seem like they would be a pretty good ski for the conditions. I have a pair (of the 187s). The woods are just coming into play, so I haven't taken them on many luge tracks, but they seem like they'll be pretty capable if not ideal. If you have other skis, I might try them out, but I don't know if I'd consider acquiring another ski given that I'm not sure many will be better than your current ride for the conditions. Keep working on your skills in the area and I bet they'll come alive as you get more comfortable.
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We have a couple of trails at RLM that are like that and one very good way to kill speed is to ski off the track a bit into and around a tree or two where the snow is untracked or mostly untracked.  Works like a charm.  On one of these trails I often just ski off into the trees and parallel the track until the trees get too dense and then head back onto the track until the trees thin out enough to head back into them.

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