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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Me: 5'10" 160ish 

Level 9 finesse skier 

 

Current Quiver

Blizzard Magnum 8.1 172cm - generally only used very early season or if it hasn't snowed in a long time - planning to keep these

Dynastar Mythic Rider - 178cm - currently unmounted but I enjoyed them for a while and then moved on...never really could come to terms with them...a nice ski but I can't put my finger on what never tripped my trigger about them.

Line Prophet 100's from 2007 180ish - abused and mounted with my AT bindings now...loved these skis but replaced them with

Blizzard The One's 177 - this is my main everyday ski now but it is getting long in the tooth and I'm finding I want a bit more stable or damp ride to cut through the crud.  I find these getting knocked around a bit more than I used to.

Elan 1010 183cm (2009 or 10 model) - My deep snow ski that skis great in most soft conditions but has no early rise in this early model so I find myself catching the tips on each other quite often.

 

 

I'm looking to basically buy 2 skis.  An every day ski in the 85-100 range for all around skiing and wider ski in the 105-120 range to deep days.  I'm looking for something that will support me with my finessy turny nature but still be able to bust through crud a little better than the The Ones and a funner more playful  shape in my bigger ski.

 

Suggestions for skis I should demo

post #2 of 19

Dynastar Outland 87 and the Rossignol Experience 88 would be good ones to try for the narrower end of your quest. Both are great skis.

post #3 of 19

replacement for "the ones" could be Soul Rider or blizzard kabookie

post #4 of 19

Nordica Steadfast and Atomic Ritual, both like to turn.  But the Ritual is only 103mm.  The next wider Atomic, the Blog, has more rocker and less camber.  I've been on the Bent Chetler and I really liked it in what powder I could find that day and also in the trees, but I just couldn't justify a 123mm ski.


Edited by mtcyclist - 2/12/14 at 7:08pm
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions
post #6 of 19

This week, I demod bonafide, steadfast and (2013) e88 all at 173/170.  I am 5'6 155lbs.

 

In order of flex stiffness, for me, it felt like bonafide was the least stiff, then steadfast, then e88. 


In terms of crud-busting/massiveness of the ski, the order was steadfast, then bonafide, then e88-but all superior then say the One ski.

 

Must try the bonafide (or maybe brahma).  Even though these skis have 2sheets of metal does not mean they are stiff or hard to turn.

They are much less massive then the e88 series.  For me this made e88 is the best crud-buster, but takes the most energy to turn and/or reposition them and takes a lot of energy to bend them and doesn't give it back easily.  The steadfasts are super agile and light, so while stiff, but not as damp as the others, and not as massive.

 

The guy at the demo shop also told me, you should try the workhorse mantra, to which all 98 skis should be compared to, last year for volkl's most popular selling design ever; as well as possibly check out the k2 annex which is all new and "best ski k2 has made in about 6years".

 

Unfortunately did not get a chance to try those out.

 

 

Hope this improves your list and your demo shop has all of these.


Edited by raytseng - 2/13/14 at 12:35am
post #7 of 19

Here's an idea: consider doing the demo pass from Breeze next year.  It's about $225 early season and gives you unlimited demos. You can keep them for up for 3 days, but can only pick them up from their Frisco, Dumont and 6th Ave locations.   My MO for the last decade has been to ski almost exclusively on their demos for a year or two, then buy skis and stay on them for a couple years, then repeat.  It's really fun to try all the different skis and sizes and I think it's a great for your skiing to be on a different ski every day.  The biggest downside is having to spend the 5-10 mins to pick up your skis each day.

 

Here's what I ended up buying for mostly Copper Mountain after demoing for two years:  Nordica Steadfast (90) and Rossingnol Sickle (110).   What's funny is neither of those skis were demos from Breeze, but I got so familiar with all the various skis from demoing I could buy those super cheap with pretty high confidence based on reviews and how they compared to skis I knew well.

 

Here's what I'd suggest for a 2 ski quiver for most Colorado areas:

 

88-90 for 6 inches or less:  Kendo became my goto ski.  I knew I was ready to buy when I kept going back to the Kendo over and over.   So... I bought the Steadfast without a demo :rolleyes. It's a is a great Kendo proxy and skis pretty similar.  I'm happy with the Steadfast after a couple days on it, but given our amazing snow it hasn't seen much use or ANY hard snow :D.   E88 is also fun.  Bushwacker/Brahma also sound great.  I think I could be reasonably happy on any of the good 88-90's... it's really personal preference.   The biggest question is size.  I'm 180lbs and bought the 178 Steadfast.  I went back and forth between the 170 and 177 Kendo demos depending on the conditions.  The shorter skis are better in the bumps, longer better in the pow/crud.  Either are fantastic cruising.   I currently have the low end covered with a 170 AC30 as my rock/bump ski, otherwise I may have bought a 170 Steadfast.  I'm currently trolling for used 170 Kendo cheap for my eventual AC30 replacement.  I'd think a 170cm 88-90 is probably the way you should go at 160ish lbs, but try the different sizes - they are completely different skis.

 

105-115 for 6 inches or more:  I absolutely love my Sickle.  I almost bought a Patron and probably could be happy on either.   Bought without a demo again, but had tried the S7 and it was too soft.  Didn't get too many powder days the previous two years, so I was going more off reviews.  Soul 7 and Vagabond were on my demo list before I found the Sickle dirt cheap and pulled the trigger.  Here's the tricky part for Copper: finding a wider ski that is good in open bowls, tight trees, bumps, and in all snow conditions.   The powder skis are too soft.   The chargers too stiff.  A versatile ski  that splits the middle is called for and is being discussed here at the moment for some other ideas:

http://www.epicski.com/t/125904/whats-you-favorite-heavy-or-dense-snow-powder-ski

 

Good luck!

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

replacement for "the ones" could be Soul Rider or blizzard kabookie

 

A note about the Soul Riders: I demoed these last season, thinking they would replace my Crushes/aka the Ones. Play with the mount point. I found the suggested to be way too far forward, moved it back 1 cm and it helped, but wasn't in love enough with the ski to keep trying. I think moving back even 2 might be better. Still not sure these will be better in crud than the Blizzards, though.

post #9 of 19
Adding two new pairs on top or replacing the existing?...My ideal two ski quiver would be:
Stöckli SX 170s
Kästle FX94 176s
post #10 of 19

^^^ for the price of those 2, I'd have a 10 ski quiver!!!!  I've already got core shots in my new Sickle's, and I'm considering if I should purchase a back pair or demo some Patrons to be ready for their eventual demise.  I don't think I could have any fun on a $1200 ski, no matter how nicely it skied.

post #11 of 19
Me neither. And I don't recommend paying full prices for any skis for that matter. But the prices start going down in Feb/Mar. For example, the FX right now is going for less than 6-700--it's an Easter egg hunt wink.gif.

Stöcklis too. I saw a brand new '13 GS 185's going for 700 late spring last year. You rarely come across a deal on the SX, however, due to their popularity, I think.
post #12 of 19

Fair enough.  It's an Easter egg hunt for the cheapo skis too!  I paid $299 for my Steadfasts and $225 for my Sickles.  At those prices I can just point them wherever and let 'em rip :)

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

 

A note about the Soul Riders: I demoed these last season, thinking they would replace my Crushes/aka the Ones. Play with the mount point. I found the suggested to be way too far forward, moved it back 1 cm and it helped, but wasn't in love enough with the ski to keep trying. I think moving back even 2 might be better. Still not sure these will be better in crud than the Blizzards, though.

 

 

I wonder if they were on the 'center" mount or the traditional mount. Mine are 177cm mounted at +1 from trad and seriously better in crud than my 177cm "the ones" and measure longer as well.

 

I should be on the 185 but I bought them for skied out bumps,trees and groomers light park and just playing around so I went purposely shorter.

 

No speed limit on smooth groomed, decent in crud, and in powder, super quick in the trees/bumps. If I did not have other largers skis though I would have went 185, 

 

tball where did you find the sickle for 225? 

post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

tball where did you find the sickle for 225? 

 

Steep and Cheep, and it was actually $209!  Just a few pairs and lasted a few hours.  Thanks again to @MNSkiing10 for finding the deal and posting it!  Love the ski... it got some serious use in all our Jan/Feb snow.  I might have to buy a backup pair, but it's hard to pay around $350 after $209... 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/122346/powder-crud-ski-recommendations-on-a-budget

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by tball View Post

Fair enough.  It's an Easter egg hunt for the cheapo skis too!  I paid $299 for my Steadfasts and $225 for my Sickles.  At those prices I can just point them wherever and let 'em rip smile.gif
I'm with you....my butt gets all puckered up at prices north of $400-500 per pair. I can happily spend whatever it takes on boots but skis get trashed to quickly.

I've basically never demoed in the past......I buy based on various reviews and learn to like them. I've skied my skis and some friends skis and some cat/helicopter operations skis and that's about it.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

Steep and Cheep, and it was actually $209!  Just a few pairs and lasted a few hours.  Thanks again to @MNSkiing10 for finding the deal and posting it!  Love the ski... it got some serious use in all our Jan/Feb snow.  I might have to buy a backup pair, but it's hard to pay around $350 after $209... 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/122346/powder-crud-ski-recommendations-on-a-budget

 

 

yeah I just found a pair of 174 for my Girlfriend but there are no deals to be had on the longer size anywhere. 

post #17 of 19

not to hijack, but I have a pair of the black 186 S6's that I may want to sell at the end of the season w/ px14's.  just remind me if interested.  

post #18 of 19
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I've basically never demoed in the past......I buy based on various reviews and learn to like them. I've skied my skis and some friends skis and some cat/helicopter operations skis and that's about it.

 

The Copper Rocker demo shop down in the Spyder store actually has a pretty good selection of skis, if you want to spend a day trying them out. Ron did that last season and ended up on a pair of Salomon Shoguns that he loves now. They carry Blizzard, Rossignol, Line, K2, Armada, Salomon... um who else ... With a season pass discount, it's about $45? for the day. Maybe $40. They don't sell skis, so you can't apply the fee to a purchase, but it's a convenient way to demo the ski in the terrain you spend the most time skiing. 

post #19 of 19

^^^^ Also Peak Sports across from Copper Rocker has a good selection of demos (down in the basement).  I haven't been in there this year, but Christy Sports at the bottom of the Super Bee usually has a good selection too.   I totally agree with Segbrown that demoing at the base is the way to go.  That way you can switch skis and lengths all day.  Do it on a slow weekday if you can so you have the best selection and quick service.  They will all probably match the season pass price if you ask.

 

To get the most for your money, as a  cheapo I'd suggest either:

 

a) gather a list of skis here, then stop by each of the demo shops at Copper and see who covers the list best.  You might need to demo two days from different shops to get the most coverage.   Make sure you demo skis you know you'll probably be able to buy cheap in the summer because they are changing next year.   Nordica blems (steadfast, patron/unleashed hell, hell & back, soul rider) and Rossi (E88, E98) immediately come to mind.   Then wait and bargain shop in the off season for your skis next year.

 

b) Do the season demo pass from Breeze in 14/15, then bargain shop in the off season for 15/16.   At about $225, as I mentioned above, it's a great deal and a ton of fun.   Especially since it seems like you could probably pick up demos in off-peak hours, it's really not much of a hassle.   The side benefit of demoing a ton of different skis is you get to post here and pretend you know what you are talking about :) 

 

Edit: if you plan do do the demo pass, I'd stop by a couple of the breeze locations (frisco, dumont, 6th ave are where the pass works) and confirm they plan to offer it next year.  They have been doing it for over a decade, but I always worry they will either stop or jack up the price.


Edited by tball - 2/18/14 at 6:32am
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