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NYT video analysis of Ligety's style

post #1 of 24
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Not sure if this has already been posted, but if not: http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/sochi-olympics/giant-slalom.html?hp

post #2 of 24

Very cool piece, thanks for sharing it.

post #3 of 24

Nice!

post #4 of 24

Yup, that's it.

In the fastest runs I have made I always feel like I'm ending my turn by stepping off the edge and on to the new one.

It feels like I'm in a hurry to start the new turn and get the old ski out of the way.

That old "lift the inside ski" isn't dead yet.

post #5 of 24

It would be cool to see another WC skier super-imposed so it's easier to see the difference btwn Ligety's "new" style against other competitors.

post #6 of 24

It was really great.  I had an instructor telling me to try to initiate my turns from the uphill ski this way, and it just felt all wrong and made no sense at all as we are sitting there cruising down a green trail at a turtle's pace.  The guy was describing it as an "easier" turn initiation, and I'm like, no, it's not easier. 

 

Of course I have skis that are full camber, and he now I understand he was probably on something with a rocker tip.  Watching Ligety, I can see it comes from the power finish on the prior turn that drives the uphill ski into flex AS he commits to the turn, not after. 

 

In other words, if I want my kids to be able to do this technique at a low speed, they'll need to be on a rockered tip, but eventually as they start skiing with some speed, they can go back to a normal cambered ski.

post #7 of 24
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It was really great.  I had an instructor telling me to try to initiate my turns from the uphill ski this way, and it just felt all wrong and made no sense at all as we are sitting there cruising down a green trail at a turtle's pace.  The guy was describing it as an "easier" turn initiation, and I'm like, no, it's not easier. 

 

Of course I have skis that are full camber, and he now I understand he was probably on something with a rocker tip.  Watching Ligety, I can see it comes from the power finish on the prior turn that drives the uphill ski into flex AS he commits to the turn, not after. 

 

In other words, if I want my kids to be able to do this technique at a low speed, they'll need to be on a rockered tip, but eventually as they start skiing with some speed, they can go back to a normal cambered ski.


I can assure you that you don't need rockered skis for this. I weigh 140 lbs and I can do it on full-on FIS GS 27m skis on any slope that's not so steep it scares me.

 

Do the drills in this thread to learn how. http://www.epicski.com/t/123064/the-difference-between-a-white-pass-turn-and-up-and-over
 Reverse white pass turns are where it's at.

 

Quick edit to say that it's the "up and over" drill, which Mikaela Shiffrin is doing in the third video down, is the one you want to look at.

post #8 of 24

What, no skivot? :D

post #9 of 24

That is an excellent piece--thanks for sharing.

post #10 of 24

I posted a Photo montage of Ligety from Ski Racing Magazine back in 2009 on this very subject and talked about a drill we do to get up onto the LTE of the uphill ski very early and then roll the uphill ski to BTE. 

 

I caught a lot of flack from folks saying Ligety was not pushing off his DH ski and stepping up to his uphill ski, but that is exactly what I said and what he describes. 

 

This entire techique is a BIG deal and can transform folks skiing,  racing or not!

post #11 of 24

Fastman or Rick talked about this in like 2003.

I think about it as loading the inside foot so that as soon as release comes it's driven right into pronation and onto the big toe edge.

 

Beautiful photography in this piece. Kudos for making it. The annoying thing is that you can't pause it. I wish it wasn't at so a low level though - as if people have never seen a race turn.

It ascribes things to Ligety that they all do - hip low to the ground for example.

Also, the clip with Bode and spraying is not conclusive at all. It's too short a segment and doesn't show enough of the turn to really say what they're saying.

post #12 of 24

So when does he race in Sochi? Def want to watch!

post #13 of 24

 

2, 3 & 4

 

#4 You can see his outside ski is still on the little toe edge and he has rolled his ski flat in and it will continue to roll to the BTE before he is completely off the old outside ski. 

 

This creates edge engagement very early in the turn sequence

post #14 of 24

Here is 5-11

post #15 of 24
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So when does he race in Sochi? Def want to watch!

 

 

Alpine Schedule


ET=  US Eastern Time.  Sochi = +9hrs
 
Feb14
2:00am ET Scheduled
Alpine Skiing Men's Super-Combined Downhill
 
Feb14
6:30am ET Scheduled
Medal Event
Alpine Skiing Men's Super-Combined Slalom
 
Feb15
2:00am ET Scheduled
Medal Event
Alpine Skiing Women's Super-G
 
Feb16
2:00am ET Scheduled
Medal Event
Alpine Skiing Men's Super G
 
Feb18
2:00am ET Scheduled
 
Alpine SkiingWomen's Giant Slalom 1st Run
 
Feb18
5:30am ET Scheduled
Medal Event
Alpine Skiing Women's Giant Slalom 2nd Run
 
Feb19
2:00am ET Scheduled
 
Alpine Skiing Men's Giant Slalom 1st Run

 

http://www.nbcolympics.com/sport/alpine-skiing


post #16 of 24

And of course it's all weekend, when I have a jam-packed weekend. Will have to catch replays of most of it. Thanks for posting the schedule!

post #17 of 24

For Cert 2, PSIA-RM has reintroduced an Outside Ski Turn as part of pressure control and the IDP includes "New inside ski is lifted prior to edge change" (bold/underlined added)

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For Cert 2, PSIA-RM has reintroduced an Outside Ski Turn as part of pressure control and the IDP includes "New inside ski is lifted prior to edge change" (bold/underlined added)


What is amazing is this movement never left, and that for so long it was almost forbidden to acknowledge that it happened.  The NYT piece is very slickly done.

post #19 of 24

First off, credit to Ted Ligety for still being so competitive given the sheer volume of media work he has done since October. At times it must have eaten into recovery and training time.

 

His transition had a real solid narrow stance in the one close up slomo, upper body was in a great direction as well. It seems natural to ski correctly for Ligety on these new skis and it's automatic and thus fast and he's so good at it that he is not constantly analyzing his technique and thus maintains confidence in his abilities, unlike what certain technique junkies seem to think in that he has to know exactly what he is doing and have it be conscious for it to be "right". When in reality it's better that Ted can't really explain what is happening as it is natural and AUTOMATIC.........it's perfect ingrained, flow state performing right at the peak of the performance pyramid!

post #20 of 24

A-man it looks like he was on Rossi at the time.  Is that correct?

post #21 of 24

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A-man it looks like he was on Rossi at the time.  Is that correct?

 

Ligety switched to Head after the 2010 season. If memory serves, he stayed on Rossi in 2010 despite being docked 50% of his pay because he didn't want to switch brands before the olympics.

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A-man it looks like he was on Rossi at the time.  Is that correct?

Yep!

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post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

Not sure if this has already been posted, but if not: http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/sochi-olympics/giant-slalom.html?hp

 

 

Yup -- I posted it in the Ligety MA thread, where I think it got buried.

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