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Being thrown to the backseat on newDalbello Axion 11 Ski Boots + new Dynastar Sultan 85 178cm 126/85/110 skis

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi,

So I made a first day on my new equipment:

Being thrown to the backseat on new Dalbello Axion 11 Ski Boots  + new Dynastar Sultan 85 178cm 126/85/110 skis

 

I am comparing it to the common Head rentals skies and boots.... There I could much better feel the ski with my toes and front side of my feet. Here... Not really

 

The boots are not heat fitted and he added a sole to help with my lack of arch (I am flat footed)....

 

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks

post #2 of 11

Got a video?  Without a video my first guess is the boots are too big.

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

No video. Not too big at all. The heads felt much bigger. Its just I need to make more effort to lean forward. Maybe flex is wrong?

post #4 of 11

Boots (all? most?) have some degree of ramp angle built in, where the heel sits higher than the forefoot within the shell.  This angle varies a little between manufacturers and models.  Ski bindings have a similar ramp, with the toe and heel often (but not always) designed with a different height off the ski.  Boots also vary in the amount of forward lean they display in the cuff.  Given you have shiny new boots and new skis [edit - and new footbeds] my guess is the combination of these angles means you're balanced differently over the new skis versus your old setup. 

 

Balance is a funny thing.  You may be compensating for excessive forward lean, or you may not be leaning far enough forward.  Have someone knowledgeable check out your static balance when you're clicked into the skis on a flat floor.

 

Have a look at the following review - 

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/dalbello-sports-axion-11/reviews/2929

 

It seems you're in luck.  The ramp angle within your new boots is adjustable.  You can play around with it to determine if that's your problem and tweak it to suit your own style thereafter.

 

Best of luck


Edited by sinbad7 - 2/10/14 at 1:58pm
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sinbad7 View Post
 

Boots (all? most?) have some degree of ramp angle built in, where the heel sits higher than the forefoot within the shell.  This angle varies a little between manufacturers and models.  Ski bindings have a similar ramp, with the toe and heel often (but not always) designed with a different height off the ski.  Boots also vary in the amount of forward lean they display in the cuff.  Given you have shiny new boots and new skis my guess is the combination of these angles means you're balanced differently over the new skis versus your old setup. 

 

Balance is a funny thing.  You may be compensating for excessive forward lean, or you may not be leaning far enough forward.  Have someone knowledgeable check out your static balance when you're clicked into the skis on a flat floor.

 

Have a look at the following review - 

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/dalbello-sports-axion-11/reviews/2929

 

It seems you're in luck.  The ramp angle within your new boots is adjustable.  You can play around with it to determine if that's your problem and tweak it to suit your own style thereafter.

 

Best of luck


Yes its adjusted to maximum

post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by qwerty53 View Post
 


Yes its adjusted to maximum

 

 

Tweak it all the way to minimum and see how you feel.  The Look / Rossi / Dynastar bindings that are likely mounted on your Sultans have a good amount of ramp angle; usually more than a Head / Tyrolia rental setup.  Dialling down the ramp in your boots could offset that angle.

 

If that feels better you can play around with the angle 'til it's just right.  If you feel significantly worse you may need even more ramp (although I can't see that being the case).  Report back and let us know how you get on.

 

Just as an afterthought, are your skis and bindings new or second hand?  I'm just considering the (very slight) chance you may have bought a ski where the bindings have been shimmed at toe / heel for a previous owner.

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thank for the advice. I will try. Although I dont understand it :-)

Everything is brand new and the bindings are Look. You are right.

post #8 of 11

It can be a compensation thing.  Too much ramp tilts you forward and you end up leaning back in order to feel balanced.

 

Maximum ramp in your boots combined with a ramped Look binding, plus your new footbed may have a thicker heel built in as well.  A couple of turns of a hex screw in your boots will tell you one way or another. Take it to minimum next time you ski.  I'll be interested to know how you go.

post #9 of 11
I have had a similar issue. I bought a pair of dalbello panterra. It took me 8 days to identify and then adjust my stance to a more upright since the forward lean was much less. I exerimented also with the footbed adjustment with minimal impact. For me the most important is to tighten the top buckle enough. Otherwise the range of freedom cause promblems with my stance.
post #10 of 11

I've owned several Dalbello three pieces. As emil says above, it takes a bit of time to adjust to the feel of the tongue. The resistance during forward flex is more linear, doesn't get stiffer as you go like a two piece. So at first, a cabrio can feel like you're going to fall forward. The natural reaction is to compensate by leaning backward. Which, in a boot that's already more upright, will cause the ski to accelerate.

 

My suggestion: Instead of messing with the ramp, give yourself some time to learn to trust the boot. You aren't going to fall on your face. And the neutral stance is more modern and athletic, gives you room to work the fronts of the skis, use lateral movements, instead of riding the tongues. If the boot still makes you lean back in compensation, you can get a stiffer tongue. Emil's comment about buckling is accurate too; in a two piece you can leave the top buckle loose as a way to adjust flex. In a three piece, not so much...

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 

I am flat footed with low arch. Used super foot blue insole inside my boot. I removed it and I am not thrown back as much anymore (cause the insole already givers you lean forward position). BUt my feet hurt a lot... Heeeelppp!!!!

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