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Twin tip or flat tailed for beginner?

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Hey everyone,

 

I'm a first year skier who is actually picking it up pretty quickly. I'm able to ski fast and parallel on all of the blues at the mountain I go to (Smugglers Notch in Vermont) and I am starting to ski some black diamonds and some woods. I went ahead and got myself a pair of nice ski boots that fit me and they are making a huge difference. Now I am renting skis this year and I originally had an older pair of Volkl AC30 that were 163cm I believe. I went ahead and swapped those for a pair of 169cm twin tip K2s because I thought they were pretty unstable, but in reality it was definitely the oversized rental boot. Now I've been skiing on the twin tip a few times and I notice it doesn't carve/turn as easy as my older flat tailed skis did and it seems to not handle ice well (I'm skidding out a lot because of ice.) I don't know if I should go ahead and go back to the flat tailed or not. I think I preferred the way they skied more, but it could just be the longer ski or some other variable? In your opinion what is better for beginners a twin tip or a flat tailed ski. I'm going to be skiing trails and some woods, but have no interest in doing park. I'm thinking about swapping them for a pair of longer flat tailed skis. Do I really need the twin tip? Is there some advantage to them besides going backwards? Do flat tails preform well in the woods too? And would flat tailed skis preform better in the icy conditions of the east?

 

Also is 169-170 cm too long for a first year skier that is 5' 10" 160 lbs? 

post #2 of 6

For your height, I think a 170ish ski works, but others may suggest a bit shorter due to you being newer to the sport and light.  I am guessing it was more the tune on the two skis not being the same that lead to the difference in feel on hard snow/ice.  I have had well tuned twin tips that could rip firm conditions really well, but I do prefer a flatter tail, so if you do too, stick with it.  The only reason I enjoy twin tips is because it makes it easier to spray snow on the person behind me;)

post #3 of 6

Welcome to EpicSki.  Part of the problem is that we can't compare a Volkl AC30 to a K2 twin tip.  Without knowing the specific model they isn't any way anyone can offer anything very constructive.  The AC30 is a fairly stiff ski and is a pretty good all mountain ski for the east.  Maybe the K2's are just really soft skis and thus will never really hold on very hard snow or ice.    If the K2's also has tip and tail rocker they could well be skiing shorter the AC30's did.  If the ski doesn't have any camber or very little camber you'll also have problems are really hard snow.  So, tell us what model the K2 is and the K2 experts will be able to offer some guidance.

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It doesn't say anywhere on the ski what type of K2 it is, but I will attach some pictures to this so maybe you can get an idea? It is an older model though. I'm just wondering in general what is usually better for a first year skier to be on: twin tips or flat tailed? Especially since I'm starting to get into the woods and more mogully terrain. 

 

post #5 of 6

Those look a lot like the K2 twin tips a friend of mine was skiing a lot a few years ago.  I've sent him a PM.  IIRC, he said they were kind of soft but he really loved them in the bumps and he's probably the best bump skier I've seen at RLM.

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Those look a lot like the K2 twin tips a friend of mine was skiing a lot a few years ago.  I've sent him a PM.  IIRC, he said they were kind of soft but he really loved them in the bumps and he's probably the best bump skier I've seen at RLM.


 

thanks for the undeserved praise. the "that was crap"  to the "i better quit now 'cause I ain't gonna beat that run" ratio is way out of balance I'm afraid!  The silencers I still ski on are 07 I think  They have the knife graphic top sheets.  The only changes that I know of for several years were the topsheets -they were all black - knife, pistols and the 05? I think had one big pistol.  they are a fairly soft ski I think as far as longitudinal flex but torsionally kinda stiff- mine are 158. as the ski gets longer it will become stiffer-weight applied being equal. Same height- I have about 10 lbs on you  The silencer waist is 80mm and all the black topsheet ones were the same as far as I know.  the last couple of years they were red then white and I think the last year they went to 85 underfoot.  I haven't seen any with the repeated k2 graphic like yours but they do have the rivets on the ends like other silencers.  liv2 ski's advice about the tune is well founded. By your pics it looks like the binding mount is pretty traditional.  My silencers have 3 position mounting marks on the sides for park and traditional.  Do yours?  the ski will actually carve pretty good actually- pressure on the front of your boots and drive the tips!  the skids may be the tune issue or a little back seat/heel pushing?  the nice thing about skiing twin tips in bumps is the ease in which the tails can release compared to a carving ski- helps a lot when the oh crap /react! situations come up.  The geometry of the tail and the way it effects the ski is more than being raised or flat.  a rounded tail tends to release easier than a very abrupt squared off tail- not a bad thing, just meant for a different purpose.  tune can also effect turn release Out here the snow in the trees is soft- I don't trust myself in the trees with this ski when the snow is deep- not a floater at all, but do ski the occasional stash when it appears otherwise- this is just not preferred tool for that job for me.  glad you got new boots- they really are the key- and as they start to adjust to your feet get a good bootfitter to help you to keep them fitting right!  As long as it puts a smile on your face it's good!!

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