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post #1 of 24
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Watching the finals. The slope is steep (28deg) and the rut icy and hard. Tough conditions. The girls crank out some pretty good chops but still ski with a very classic zipperline pivot and sideways skidding technique. Really hard impact at the moguls and deep flexion. Any taughts?
post #2 of 24
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Check out the ski poles.... very very short BTW... are being pointed forward as soon as the sliding down the back side starts. Getting ready for the pole plant. And then the poles switch back and forth.

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my thoughts are is judging 'turns" in these bump comps is the silliest thing ever, The judging needs to change before the bump skiing changes. 

 

alot of these skis can not actually make turns outside of the bumps. 

post #5 of 24

I don't even consider the technique used by most a "turn" it's a pure pivot to cause ski direction change is all.  This is a highly perfected intermediate level tactic.

 

The only girl , Aiko, I've seen to actually deflect off the mogul sidewall, hitting it with the shovels first, as opposed to slamming it sideways at the toe piece as everyone else does.  She is "skiing" in my opinion and is the only  one.

 

It's sad, it's not a skiing contest, it's a zipperline bobble counting competition with a couple airs which are very impressive.

 

Watch the skiers tips, the almost stay directly in the fall line as the tails pivot back and forth.

 

nuff said.

 

I didn't watch it live, we are finally getting some snow, 11" last night with no end in sight for the cycle and ripped it up, turning directly into and through the biggest piles I could find.  :)

 

Nail

post #6 of 24
You need glasses,nailbender, they pivot under the binding.
There is no way the tips could stay in the fall line. The zipper line goes subtly around the fall line, and so do the tips
post #7 of 24
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 Rod wrote:
line goes subtly around the fall line, and so do the tips

 

LOL, you need the glasses rod.

 

The tips don't "subtly" cross the fall line, they go from pointing right to pointing left as quickly as the "pivot masters" can twist them.  The tips basically stay in the fall line, that's how you can easily tell who is turning and who is dependent on the pivot/skid.

 

Again, Aiko is the ONLY girl that can ski  a mogul course out of the whole group.

 

It's embarrassing to the sport that Kearney's score beat Aiko's.

 

Nail


Edited by Nailbender - 2/8/14 at 9:27pm
post #8 of 24

Kearney seemed to come across a little bitchy in the post-run interview IMO.  Life goes on, take it like an adult.

post #9 of 24
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Kearney seemed to come across a little bitchy in the post-run interview IMO.  Life goes on, take it like an adult.

 

On what planet would that be defined as "bitchy"?

post #10 of 24
I do wear glasses.

I was reacting to your comment that the ski tips stay in the fall line, and tails pivot back and forth.
What I see if the pivot happens as ut should, right under the binding, and the tips go way out of the fall line, as do the tails, but in the opposite direction.

Great turns, and great recoveries.
post #11 of 24
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On what planet would that be defined as "bitchy"?

 

Earth.

 

She was far more pleasant in her post-medal ceremony interview, even a tad contrite.  NBC even called her out for being cranky about winning a bronze medal in her 1st interview.  Apparently she got some coaching.

post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Nailbender View Post
 

I don't even consider the technique used by most a "turn" it's a pure pivot to cause ski direction change is all.  This is a highly perfected intermediate level tactic.

 

The only girl , Aiko, I've seen to actually deflect off the mogul sidewall, hitting it with the shovels first, as opposed to slamming it sideways at the toe piece as everyone else does.  She is "skiing" in my opinion and is the only  one.

 

It's sad, it's not a skiing contest, it's a zipperline bobble counting competition with a couple airs which are very impressive.

 

Watch the skiers tips, the almost stay directly in the fall line as the tails pivot back and forth.

 

nuff said.

 

I didn't watch it live, we are finally getting some snow, 11" last night with no end in sight for the cycle and ripped it up, turning directly into and through the biggest piles I could find.  :)

 

Nail

 

I cant find any videos of the final on youtube. Even the video I put up in my OP has been pulled out. Anyway, funny that you mentioned Aiko. She is coached by fellow countryman and mogul legend Lahtela. It was not fair she did not get the bronze but that's the way it goes some times. Im also a big fan of Aiko. And she is skiing a rounder line for sure. The others more or less just pivoted and skidded down the back side. I have no vide so I cannot see where the pivot point was but does it matter? Fact is that they pivoted and skidded sideways.

 

In the commentary there was a list of what the judges look at. Mogul skiing and jumps are being judged separately. The mogul skiing section included about 7 things, among them how straight down in one line they can descend. Kind of silly IMO.

post #13 of 24

Japanese finalist got screwed.  Her time was MUCH faster, her turns were quite crisp.  I do agree that her airs were slightly smaller than the top three though.  I though the scoring and judging was supposed to be something like 50% speed, 25% turns and 25% air points.  Hard to believe her turns and air were that much lower.  She totally ripped the run.

post #14 of 24

Well there's the trouble with any judged event.  At least with a race the clock doesn't brook opinions about what looks better.  We can still complain that The DH was too technical and too much like a SG for a DH race, but that's racing.

post #15 of 24
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I don't even consider the technique used by most a "turn" it's a pure pivot to cause ski direction change is all.  This is a highly perfected intermediate level tactic.

 

[snip]

Nail

 

Bet they're glad you're not the judge. ;)

post #16 of 24
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 TDK6 wrote:
Anyway, funny that you mentioned Aiko. She is coached by fellow countryman and mogul legend Lahtela.

 

I didn't realize that TDK6, I don't think Lahtela's name was ever brought up in the previous threads, but CVJ often mentioned in our conversations that he was one of the few WC mogul skiers that "could do it"!  Meaning turn instead of pivot by deflecting of the lower side of the mogul sidewall with a defected carved turn.

 

I watched the replay of the women's finals again and agree with others here, Aiko got ROBBED!  A pivot skid should get maximum 2.5 points reflecting the intermediate tactic it is.

 

I don't have much to say about Mosely's comments during the finals either.  Clueless as far as I'm concerned.  I almost choked when he talked about how the best skiers DON'T let the terrain dictate the fall line or turn.   LOL!  ALL 3 medals winners are TOTALLY dependent on the terrain to initiate the pivot when they slam it.

 

Can't wait to watch the Men slam away...

 

Nail

post #17 of 24

Can't argue one way or another as to technique, as I'm not qualified.  CLEARLY, these folks are way better at what they do than any random million skiers.
 

BUT...I will say: this is the single most boring skiing event ever.  Simply a bunch of variously-dressed folks slamming away at moguls and doing essentially the same jumps for 30+ seconds.  Hit repeat.  And then again.  Very little variety, individualism, or obvious grace.

 

Sorry to say this, aficionados, but this is boring.....!

post #18 of 24
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Sorry to say this, aficionados, but this is boring.....!

 

Agree 100%.  The event and sport in it's current format can't die soon enough IMO.  BORING!

 

The skiing overall is basically weak and the airs are much smaller than the Big Air events.  What's the point?

 

If you watch 1 run, you've basically seen the whole event minus the random bobbles.

 

Nail

post #19 of 24
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I didn't realize that TDK6, I don't think Lahtela's name was ever brought up in the previous threads, but CVJ often mentioned in our conversations that he was one of the few WC mogul skiers that "could do it"!  Meaning turn instead of pivot by deflecting of the lower side of the mogul sidewall with a defected carved turn.

 

I watched the replay of the women's finals again and agree with others here, Aiko got ROBBED!  A pivot skid should get maximum 2.5 points reflecting the intermediate tactic it is.

 

I don't have much to say about Mosely's comments during the finals either.  Clueless as far as I'm concerned.  I almost choked when he talked about how the best skiers DON'T let the terrain dictate the fall line or turn.   LOL!  ALL 3 medals winners are TOTALLY dependent on the terrain to initiate the pivot when they slam it.

 

Can't wait to watch the Men slam away...

 

Nail

 

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post #20 of 24
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Can't wait to watch the Men slam away...

 

Nail

 

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post #21 of 24

All this complaining about how horrible the best mogul skiers in the world are, when none of the people in this thread could ski with a tenth of the ability of anybody in the competition. If you think a zipperline is just a simple pivot slip, you are just showing how little you know about it. If you don't like it, don't watch. And then go give it a try next time you're on the hill. Just make sure you take video and post it.

 

As far as Kearney being 'bitchy'... she had just made a single, split-second mistake that had cost her a gold medal. She knew it. She knew without that tiny bobble she would have won. And then she has a microphone shoved in her face while she's still reeling over having lost. Yes, she got a bronze medal, but she was a few inches away from winning it all. And she knew that was her last chance, her last Olympics. As she said, the best of her career is over. That's not easy to face. It's just strange how in the Olympics a competitor is supposed to be happy about not winning, when at the end of the Super Bowl or the World Series, everybody understands and expects the losing team to be upset.

post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by freeski919 View Post
 

All this complaining about how horrible the best mogul skiers in the world are, when none of the people in this thread could ski with a tenth of the ability of anybody in the competition. If you think a zipperline is just a simple pivot slip, you are just showing how little you know about it. If you don't like it, don't watch. And then go give it a try next time you're on the hill. Just make sure you take video and post it.

 

As far as Kearney being 'bitchy'... she had just made a single, split-second mistake that had cost her a gold medal. She knew it. She knew without that tiny bobble she would have won. And then she has a microphone shoved in her face while she's still reeling over having lost. Yes, she got a bronze medal, but she was a few inches away from winning it all. And she knew that was her last chance, her last Olympics. As she said, the best of her career is over. That's not easy to face. It's just strange how in the Olympics a competitor is supposed to be happy about not winning, when at the end of the Super Bowl or the World Series, everybody understands and expects the losing team to be upset.

 

 

mike you can outside Kerney in a crud field or on a groomer, and you are really good skier but no where near world class. we might even have chance to keep with her on one of natural bump runs at stowe, well at least I might.  I wish she would have won a Gold as well, but these people are crap all mountain skiers and its not really their fault its the judging of the sports fault. 

 

The biggest difference between these people and strongest all mountain skiers at a place like stowe is the abilty to though inverted aerials which I am certain I could do if I started skiing as a kid, and was trained to do so while growing up. 

 

first I can not find any video online of Hannah Kearney skiing out side of hte bumps, but I can find this. 

 

 

 

the internet is strangely deviod of WC caliper bump skiers skiing outside of the bumps its nearly impossible to find anything. I will stand by statement and I think the lack of video proves it as these guys and gals do not want to look "bad" and none of them can ski an edge to edge offensive turn. 

post #23 of 24
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As far as Kearney being 'bitchy'... she had just made a single, split-second mistake that had cost her a gold medal. She knew it. She knew without that tiny bobble she would have won. And then she has a microphone shoved in her face while she's still reeling over having lost. Yes, she got a bronze medal, but she was a few inches away from winning it all. And she knew that was her last chance, her last Olympics. As she said, the best of her career is over. That's not easy to face. It's just strange how in the Olympics a competitor is supposed to be happy about not winning, when at the end of the Super Bowl or the World Series, everybody understands and expects the losing team to be upset.

 

The other thing people have to understand is to reach the level of an Olympic gold medalist you can't accept losing.  If she had been happy with finishing third throughout her career she would not likely have risen to the level where she was within one mistake of taking home a second gold medal.  She wasn't critical of the skiing of the other ladies, the course or the judging, she was just disappointed and frustrated and sad.

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