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Thinking of adding a Bonafide am I nuts?

post #1 of 28
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Ok I have 7 pair of skis.  Yes I am addicted to buying gear and no I don't need them all.  Now that we got that out of the way here is my current quiver:

 

Ski's I use in Michigan:

 

2012 Kastle MX78 in 176

2012 Kastle LX82 in 172

2014 Blizzard Brahma in 173

2014 Nordica Soul Rider in 177

 

Outwest ski's:

 

2013 Kastle F94 in 176

2013 Blizzard Cochise in 177

2013 Atomic Automatics in 179

 

I original bought the Soul Rider's to be a good alternative to the Automatics for a fun ski to use in 8" or less snow.  However a few days ago we got about 6-8" in Michigan and I went skiing.  Skiing the bumps the snow was almost knee deep in the troughs.  What I found with the Soul Riders was they were not very good in the deep stuff.  I got a large amount of tip dive on these skis. I had them mounted in the classic spot so they weren't centered mounted.  I read the reviews here and at blister gear and no one else seemed to have this problem.  So I was alittle disappointed.  I switched over to the Cochise and was in heaven.  They just floated and blasted through everything.  However in soft snow that isn't deep the Soul Riders are my favorite bump skis I own.  I really like the LX82's for bumps as well but I can check my speed much better on the Soul Riders.  On the LX82's I almost get going to fast in the bumps. 

 

So now on to the Bones.  I UPSed my FX94's and Auto's to the Cliff Lodge in Snowbird because I'll be there Tuesday for a week.  And am bringing my Cochise on the plane with me. I split time between the Bird and Alta.  I know that I have all my bases covered however sometimes the Cochise can become tiring if I ski them all day.  And the Auto's skied great here on a day that we had 12" of snow a few weeks back.  I just think that if we get between 6-8" while I am out there I might want a ski like the Bonafide.  My FX94 doesn't have any tip or tail rocker.  I also absolutely love my Brahma's so I think that the Bones in 173 might be the perfect ski for throwing around in the trees and steep bumps.  I love all 3 skis I am bringing out to Snowbird and probably will be just fine but just lusting after the Bonafide in 173.  Also Dawg has got the sale going where you buy the ski and you get a $200 credit towards your binding and you can't beat that deal. 

 

Any thoughts are appreciated.  Again I know it is overkill and I don't need all these skis but hey it is better than being addicted to drugs or gambling. LOL

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

post #2 of 28

Why don't you demo some in Utah.  But, to answer your question, yup, you're nutz.;)

post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by procos View Post
 

Ok I have 7 pair of skis.  Yes I am addicted to buying gear and no I don't need them all.  Now that we got that out of the way here is my current quiver:

 

Ski's I use in Michigan:

 

2012 Kastle MX78 in 176

2012 Kastle LX82 in 172

2014 Blizzard Brahma in 173

2014 Nordica Soul Rider in 177

 

Outwest ski's:

 

2013 Kastle F94 in 176

2013 Blizzard Cochise in 177

2013 Atomic Automatics in 179

 

I original bought the Soul Rider's to be a good alternative to the Automatics for a fun ski to use in 8" or less snow.  However a few days ago we got about 6-8" in Michigan and I went skiing.  Skiing the bumps the snow was almost knee deep in the troughs.  What I found with the Soul Riders was they were not very good in the deep stuff.  I got a large amount of tip dive on these skis. I had them mounted in the classic spot so they weren't centered mounted.  I read the reviews here and at blister gear and no one else seemed to have this problem.  So I was alittle disappointed.  I switched over to the Cochise and was in heaven.  They just floated and blasted through everything.  However in soft snow that isn't deep the Soul Riders are my favorite bump skis I own.  I really like the LX82's for bumps as well but I can check my speed much better on the Soul Riders.  On the LX82's I almost get going to fast in the bumps. 

 

So now on to the Bones.  I UPSed my FX94's and Auto's to the Cliff Lodge in Snowbird because I'll be there Tuesday for a week.  And am bringing my Cochise on the plane with me. I split time between the Bird and Alta.  I know that I have all my bases covered however sometimes the Cochise can become tiring if I ski them all day.  And the Auto's skied great here on a day that we had 12" of snow a few weeks back.  I just think that if we get between 6-8" while I am out there I might want a ski like the Bonafide.  My FX94 doesn't have any tip or tail rocker.  I also absolutely love my Brahma's so I think that the Bones in 173 might be the perfect ski for throwing around in the trees and steep bumps.  I love all 3 skis I am bringing out to Snowbird and probably will be just fine but just lusting after the Bonafide in 173.  Also Dawg has got the sale going where you buy the ski and you get a $200 credit towards your binding and you can't beat that deal. 

 

Any thoughts are appreciated.  Again I know it is overkill and I don't need all these skis but hey it is better than being addicted to drugs or gambling. LOL

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

Not nuts at all , I am always telling my wife ski's are a man's shoes, can't have to many pairs,as I am looking at my just arrived FX94's

post #4 of 28
But what if the wind blows from the SW?
post #5 of 28
It seems that u and I have the same prob.
I have 8 pairs, and I'm thinking of adding the bonafides to my quiver as well. I don't need them, but they seem like a killer ski and I don't have a 98 mil ski with metal. Not to mention, I can get a killer deal and they r not changing for next year, only the top sheet. And I like the current graphics better as well.
post #6 of 28

I think a more relevant question is sure, your skis may feel different, but how many can you actually tell the functional difference? Are you good enough to use any of these tools to its potential, before you decide it isn't right for a particular micro-condition? 

 

Fact, you may want to think less about shoe metaphors and more about how privileged this sounds. A lot of folks on these boards have to save, shuffle opportunity costs, wait till next season, pace themselves to own, say, three skis. Including high level instructors. While you, after wondering aloud which 4 skis you should take to Utah, are now ready to impulse shop for a 5th. :rolleyes 

post #7 of 28
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I think a more relevant question is sure, your skis may feel different, but how many can you actually tell the functional difference? Are you good enough to use any of these tools to its potential, before you decide it isn't right for a particular micro-condition? 

Fact, you may want to think less about shoe metaphors and more about how privileged this sounds. A lot of folks on these boards have to save, shuffle opportunity costs, wait till next season, pace themselves to own, say, three skis. Including high level instructors. While you, after wondering aloud which 4 skis you should take to Utah, are now ready to impulse shop for a 5th. rolleyes.gif  

I am not going to apologize for being able to afford more skis. I work hard for the money I earn. As for being good enough I think I am. I am only bringing 3 pairs anyways. Unless I get the Bones and will have Scott ship them to the Cliff lodge.
post #8 of 28

Chuck, you are nuts but in the best way possible.  :beercheer:

 

Lie down and let the feeling go away.  Unless you are skiing 70-100 days out west, you have more than what you need.  The Bonafide is a great ski.  I own it.  But between the FX94, the Cochise and the Soul Rider (all skis that I've spent some time on and like for different reason) I don't see a rational use case.  6-8 inches in Alta/bird?  Cochise all day.  If you are getting tired on the Cochise in soft snow, you'll be more tired on the Bonafide which takes more effort to initiate and has a very different flex pattern.  What happened to your Influence 105s?  There's a ski that splits the difference and migrates narrower than the Cochise.  But why did you dump the Influence?  There is your answer.  That ski, especially at 179, is closer in feel to the Bone than the Cochise (waist width notwithstanding).

post #9 of 28
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Chuck, you are nuts but in the best way possible.  beercheer.gif

Lie down and let the feeling go away.  Unless you are skiing 70-100 days out west, you have more than what you need.  The Bonafide is a great ski.  I own it.  But between the FX94, the Cochise and the Soul Rider (all skis that I've spent some time on and like for different reason) I don't see a rational use case.  6-8 inches in Alta/bird?  Cochise all day.  If you are getting tired on the Cochise in soft snow, you'll be more tired on the Bonafide which takes more effort to initiate and has a very different flex pattern.  What happened to your Influence 105s?  There's a ski that splits the difference and migrates narrower than the Cochise.  But why did you dump the Influence?  There is your answer.  That ski, especially at 179, is closer in feel to the Bone than the Cochise (waist width notwithstanding).

Hey thx a bunch for the info. I love my Cochise bigtime. I also love the Brahmas so thought I'd love the 173 bones. I did own the 180 bones and didn't like them but that was the wrong size for me. I sold the Influence because they just were kind of dead feeling to be me. If that makes sense. I'll probably blow off the bones and just bring the Soul Riders for some bump fun.
post #10 of 28
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I am not going to apologize for being able to afford more skis. I work hard for the money I earn. As for being good enough I think I am. I am only bringing 3 pairs anyways. Unless I get the Bones and will have Scott ship them to the Cliff lodge.

I did not say you needed to apologize. I did not say you didn't work hard - most folks do, whether they are CEO's or janitors. But when you start threads about whether you really need another ski very much like many of the ones you already have, after a thread about taking four skis to Utah, and make a comparison to buying shoes, it comes across as flaunting assumptions about how privilege plays out. At a time when a lot of Americans are still out of work, or underemployed and underpaid like most of the employees at the resort you're going to, or many of the instructors or retailers/shop guys on this site, you have the privilege of worrying about whether you should add a Bonafide to your arsenal. OK, that's certainly your right, and yep, you can spend your discretionary income any way you want. But your last couple of threads come across as giggling about it. Obviously, that's fine with some of the posters here, and it's not with others.

 

I'm one of the others. In part this is because professionally I spend a part of my life with people whose annual income is less than a pair of Bonafides. And yep, I own a quiver. And yep, I talk about skis I want. And yep, I'm privileged to be able to ski, let alone own more than one pair of skis and boots. For me, it's more about putting our sport in context, about tone and assumptions, about how folks come across assuming or not assuming their "rights" to their privilege. Sorry I made you feel a blush of defensiveness for a moment; Rx is immediate purchase of at least one more pair...;) 


Edited by beyond - 2/7/14 at 7:45pm
post #11 of 28
OP - don't worry about what other people say. Don't take it seriously. It's non sense.

Don't be apologetic about your purchases. There is nothing wrong in being so passionate about what you love and having the means to enjoy it.

I'm happy for you and glad that someone like you out there is having a good time, having it all.
post #12 of 28
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I am not going to apologize for being able to afford more skis. I work hard for the money I earn. As for being good enough I think I am. I am only bringing 3 pairs anyways. Unless I get the Bones and will have Scott ship them to the Cliff lodge.

If you're having trouble skiing your soul riders in 7-8" of powder in MI, don't take offense, but why not spend the money on booking a trip to say, Jackson or Whistler and do some steeps/expert camps? Gear is fun, but in the end, it's what you can do on it that counts.
post #13 of 28
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OP - don't worry about what other people say. Don't take it seriously. It's non sense.

Don't be apologetic about your purchases. There is nothing wrong in being so passionate about what you love and having the means to enjoy it.

I'm happy for you and glad that someone like you out there is having a good time, having it all.

 

Thanks.  You pretty much summed me up with the word "passionate".  When I get into hobbies I sometime get to passionate and go to far.  I really got back into skiing around 2005 after taking about 8 years off because of work and having little kids.  Now my kids and wife love skiing with me so it is awesome family fun.  From 2000-2012 I was really, really into playing guitar and at one point owned 10 guitars and 8 or 9 amps.  So skiing isn't the only gear I enjoy.  I am also really into mountain biking, hunting and fishing.  I always feel like when I am in a hobby might as well enjoy the gear because you only live once. 

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If you're having trouble skiing your soul riders in 7-8" of powder in MI, don't take offense, but why not spend the money on booking a trip to say, Jackson or Whistler and doing some steeps/expert camps? Or do some masters racing? ear is fun, but in the end, it's what you can do on it that counts.

 

Because my technique is fine.  From 1991-1994 I lived in Aspen and skied bumps competitively so I am not having any issues with my skiing.  I was able to float through the same snow on my Cochise and Brahmas.  The Soul Riders just didn't perform the way I wanted.  I love it when guys recommend camps or lessons when they have no idea how well I ski.

post #15 of 28
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Thanks.  You pretty much summed me up with the word "passionate".  When I get into hobbies I sometime get to passionate and go to far.  I really got back into skiing around 2005 after taking about 8 years off because of work and having little kids.  Now my kids and wife love skiing with me so it is awesome family fun.  From 2000-2012 I was really, really into playing guitar and at one point owned 10 guitars and 8 or 9 amps.  So skiing isn't the only gear I enjoy.  I am also really into mountain biking, hunting and fishing.  I always feel like when I am in a hobby might as well enjoy the gear because you only live once. 
Wow I'm into guitars too!! What guitars do you have?
post #16 of 28
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Because my technique is fine.  From 1991-1994 I lived in Aspen and skied bumps competitively so I am not having any issues with my skiing.  I was able to float through the same snow on my Cochise and Brahmas.  The Soul Riders just didn't perform the way I wanted.  I love it when guys recommend camps or lessons when they have no idea how well I ski.

rolleyes.gif We've been here before you and I... Figured you'd get defensive. Look, there's no one here, including you, Josh, JASP, Bob Barnes, etc.... Whose skiing is beyond benefitting from the right camp, coach, or clinic. Olympic bump skiers have coaches, no? . All's I'm saying is why not use the money to have some great and unique experiences on snow rather than piddling it away on gear? Experience makes us better skiers. My comments have nothing to do with your ability. I'm out. I should have known better.
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Wow I'm into guitars too!! What guitars do you have?

 

2000 PRS McCarty, 2012 PRS Ted McCarty DC245, a Fender Strat and my first guitar which was a Squier Strat.  I have owned well over 75 guitars in the past 14 years Prs, Gibson Historic Reissues and Suhr's.  My amps now are a 2004 Two Rock Onyx, 2000 Bogner XTC 101B, a Kanewreck Liverpool and a Kanewreck Rocket.

post #18 of 28
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rolleyes.gif We've been here before you and I... Figured you'd get defensive. Look, there's no one here, including you, Josh, JASP, Bob Barnes, etc.... Whose skiing is beyond benefitting from the right camp, coach, or clinic. Olympic bump skiers have coaches, no? . All's I'm saying is why not use the money to have some great and unique experiences on snow rather than piddling it away on gear? Experience makes us better skiers. My comments have nothing to do with your ability. I'm out. I should have known better.

 

Well your comments came off as let's say snarky especially "If you are having trouble skiing powder7-8" in MI".  I don't feel I am piddling away my money on gear.  What is right for you might not necessarily be right for me.  I know everyone can improve on their skiing but it doesn't interest me to spend the precious little time I have out west in a class environment.  If I was going to spend money I'd most likely do it on some Heli skiing.   However not sure my wife would agree to me spending that kind of money nor would she let me be away for that long of a period of time. 

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Well your comments came off as let's say snarky especially "If you are having trouble skiing powder7-8" in MI".  I don't feel I am piddling away my money on gear.  What is right for you might not necessarily be right for me.  I know everyone can improve on their skiing but it doesn't interest me to spend the precious little time I have out west in a class environment.  If I was going to spend money I'd most likely do it on some Heli skiing.   However not sure my wife would agree to me spending that kind of money nor would she let me be away for that long of a period of time. 

Didn't say class, I said clinic... Different thing all together, and you'd get lift privileges.

If you want snarky, here you go. I have a pair of soul riders and can ski them in the conditions you mention with no issues.... Without heels. Now that's snarky. And I still happily clinic. There's always room for improvement. But then again, I suck. But anyhow, I'll refrain from commenting on any more of your posts. I think it's safe to say we don't exactly see eye to eye on much. Good luck.
post #20 of 28

Just buy the darn skis. They are great skis and they are clearly what you want. 

You don't need posters on this board for validation.

post #21 of 28
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Just buy the darn skis. They are great skis and they are clearly what you want. 

You don't need posters on this board for validation.


Your right.  Too bad there isn't a delete button seems my post have been bothering some people.  I just thought this was the place to discuss gear.  My bad won't post anymore questions on skis. 

post #22 of 28
Sure you can buy anything you want. Given your quiver I don't see a logical place for the Bones. I'm sure you will enjoy them, but they won't give you an eye opening experience just because you have so many skis that duplicate some of their best aspects. Is be weary of the mental energy that goes into choosing the ski to take out on a particular day. I have enough trouble doing that with 3 skis, I can't imagine doing it with 7. The one task the bones are peerless is being a "travel" ski, but you bring several skis on a trip anyway, so why do you still want a one-ski quiver?

I'd start saving for heli skiing and a heli-skis:-)
post #23 of 28
Bumper in Aspen early 90's?
What's your name?
They generally call me Low Pressure Karl.

You have a very nice quiver, but it could use some length, unless your a Hobbitt?
post #24 of 28
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Bumper in Aspen early 90's?
What's your name?
They generally call me Low Pressure Karl.

You have a very nice quiver, but it could use some length, unless your a Hobbitt?

Chuck Proctor
Not a hobbit but close 5'6" tall.
post #25 of 28
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My bad won't post anymore questions on skis. 

 

Keep posting whatever you like as far as I'm concerned. People bugged by your posts have freedom not to read them. Everyone yaks about stuff based on their own personal agendas here.

 

Based on your guitar and ski collection, I can see that you're a kind of a perfectionist that really digs in and get things right. And you certainly like to talk about ski gear. Me too.

post #26 of 28

I am new to the site and very happy to see that you guys are taking your time to advice the newcomers to the sport and forum.

 

I need an advice to which ski to buy as this question is killing me. Quick info about myself, 49 yrs 5"10, 175lb very athletic, ex fighter pilot. I got the ski bug 8 years ago and I am hooked. I ski about 2 weeks per year (job and family issues) and like mostly groomed and going fast. Gear price not an issue but I do not think more expensive is necessarily better. That being said, my current ski is Blizzard Supersonic 174cm. Went to Taos this week and talking to the guys from Boot Doctor I realized that my ski does not suit me. I demoed Volkl Vwerks 176 and I was convinced that I found my match. Perfect ski for me until it started snowing and I realized it puts some stress on my knees. My friend suggested to try a wider ski as it was included in the price. I got the Bonafide 173 and boy that was a wakening. I was floating over the bumps, no stress on my knees and was very happy, never thought that I would be on a ski that looks like a slipper. Next day the runs were groomed and I was eager to see how it performs. Excellent is my word, I was able to go as fast as fast as I could and be very in control. I think the volkl felt better on groomed but overall I would take the Bonafide any day.

 

Here is my dilemma now that I read more about Bonafide and I realized the type of ski I like (boy was I wrong with the Supersonic, that ski does not like to go straight and it is like a goat in the tree, always wanting to go left or right) should I go longer to 180 and what about Kastle MX88 and Stockli. Would be nice to demo all these skis but it might not be realistic. In a few words, I want the best ski for me.

 

Thanks for your advice, never thought I will be so hooked on this sport I should have retired from instead of starting it.

 

Luke

post #27 of 28

^^^^^ Seriously, STOP. It's bad web manners, irritating, and you come across like an impatient 17 year old to keep rearranging and pasting the same paragraph on any thread that seems remotely connected to your personal issue. Give people time to respond, and limit your posts to one relevant thread. Out. 

post #28 of 28

Yes to what beyond said.  No need to pollute multiple threads.  To your question: it seems that you found your dream ski.  Buy it and ski it a lot.  Enjoy.  

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