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post #61 of 71
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Originally Posted by utahsaint View Post

I have seen a few women here on the LT. They seem to manage it okay in a course. I cannot imagine using one as an all around ski. For the record I am 6' tall and around your weight. Despite what Mark says I am a very strong skier. He has only seen a video of slow transitions on a moderate hill. I have taken a 27 meter ski through the bumps before and can tell you it's not fun. My recommendation is that you would have a lot more fun on a 17 meter ski. Even some of the fastest gs league racers are on cheaters not masters skis. Another option you might look into for your wife is the atomic double deck. It has a very short radius for a gs ski. If I remember right it's around 15 meters.

Didnt say anything other than you dont ski as well as Jonathan. Doubt anyone here does.
post #62 of 71
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Didnt say anything other than you dont ski as well as Jonathan. Doubt anyone here does.

You never know. Last year at Midwest masters someone came within one tenth of a second to Aj Kit. I am no where near that but there are some amazing skiers out there. Me I was that pesky three seconds behind. It's sort of the story of my life. Also put some perspective on what those three seconds are. Either way I have seen a lot of amazing skiers. I would bet some are on this forum.
post #63 of 71
Yes. I've seen and skied with some as well. Some of those Midwest masters are guys like Cary Agate (ex-USST). Tim Hill, now in Oregon and a podium SL finisher in the world masters champs a season or two back is a CUSSA region 3 native. That said, I doubt any of them would be close to Mr. Kitt in a speed event.


No offense, but you're still not in Jonathan's league from the video you posted. Tough love. Speaking only for myself, I actively look for people who's skiing I admire and acknowledge as clearly better than my own. I have no trouble saying I wish I could ski like Mikaela or Sebastien Michel. Jonathan's a pretty damn fine skier as well. YMMV.
post #64 of 71
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Originally Posted by utahsaint View Post


You never know. Last year at Midwest masters someone came within one tenth of a second to Aj Kit. I am no where near that but there are some amazing skiers out there. Me I was that pesky three seconds behind. It's sort of the story of my life. Also put some perspective on what those three seconds are. Either way I have seen a lot of amazing skiers. I would bet some are on this forum.


When AJ showed for the pacesetter Trials at Nubs a few years ago five local guys beat him.

Mostly a wax issue but the Nubs race hill is unique.

 

Meanwhile, I got to ski my new 176 Hero Masters last night.

Out of the box, this pair needed a tune badly so I had Pat at the Tune Center give them his best.

It is always easy to increase base bevel so I had them set at 0.5/3.

I gave them several wax cycles with BP77 then threw a coat of CH7 on and took them out.

As I started feeling them out, I got more confident.

I was marveling at the precision of these skis and making big arcs when I got too excited.

Got late, got back, got spanked at about 35 mph.

Yes, these are real GS race skis and you had better ski them centered and pay attention.

A couple of days limping around and hot tubbing will remind me that in the future.

I think I'm going to more base bevel, at 0.5 there is no room for error.

post #65 of 71
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

No offense, but you're still not in Jonathan's league from the video you posted. Tough love. Speaking only for myself, I actively look for people who's skiing I admire and acknowledge as clearly better than my own. I have no trouble saying I wish I could ski like Mikaela or Sebastien Michel. Jonathan's a pretty damn fine skier as well. YMMV.

 

I would not disagree with you at all.  There is a reason I had his video so close at hand.  I really admire his style quite a bit and also watch quite a bit of JF Beaulieu.  The video you saw of me was my first day on the masters.  I have come around a bit but still need to learn how to get better angles into my skiing.  To be fair its very rare you see anyone ski with such high proficiency.  I can only think of one person I know who might be there.  That would be our ski school director and I have yet to get him to teach me anything.

 

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Originally Posted by dakine
 
Got late, got back, got spanked at about 35 mph.

 

This ski is very unforgiving about body position.  You have to be forward at least in the very mid any further back and it will spit you out.  I was on them all day yesterday and have to say they are a joy when you get it right.  They have a ton of energy and if you start trying to release that it can throw you back hard.  It's best to stay in front of them always.  Also you have to use an almost over exaggerated body position and angle.  They ski about like my 27 meter ski but carve a lot better.  I am able to do quite a bit of shorter turns as well with them.  As far as stability I got them up to almost 50 mph without a hitch.  Not bad for only 200+ vertical feet to play with.  It sort of surprised me to see that number on my ski tracker.

post #66 of 71

I've just Ordered a set of the Hero Long Turn elites - 168 cm, and I'm loving them.

 

 

I'd describe myself as an aggressive and confident intermediate skier, not yet an advanced skier.  About 160 pounds, 5'6'', and I started the season on  Fischer Progressor 700s, in a 155.  They're nice on piste skis, easy to carve with, and a sensible 14/17 meter dual radius. I'll be keeping them as the start of the season gentler leg rebuilder skis, and for the school holiday weeks when the resorts are packed, and a tighter turning ski will be more fun than a fast ski I can't really make the best of.

 

I'm Skiing at the Southern end of the French Alps( Ubaye valley, resort reviews incoming), and in good conditions have up to 2000 vertical feet to play with.

 

I had the chance to try a range of skis last week. I was only able to do a run or two on each, but as I was looking at  100% on piste soft race skis, it was enough to get a feel for them. I was taking them down a 1000 foot drop red I know well on hardpack in reasonable conditions with plenty of room. I tried-

 

A Kastle all mountain in a 170ish. I'm not sure why the rep got me to try them, given I had told him what I was looking for!. You can tell how impressed I was by the level of detail that stuck in my mind....Nothing wrong with them, just not the ski I was looking for.

 

A Kastle soft race, in a 165ish. This was the shortest ski I tried, and there was nothing wrong with it, but it just felt too similar to what I was already using. The rep said they had the same in a longer length, but the skiier trying them went AWOL, so I never got to try them 170ish I was looking for.

 

Stockli SX lasers in a 170. These were really rather nice. A lovely physical ski, that was giving back everything I could put into it. I would happily have had them there and then, but the 1000 euro price tag but me off.

 

Rossignol Hero LT elites in a 167

These were great. Fast, stable, responsive, and nicely stiff. I was just about able to get them carving, and when I did- WOW. They are not intermediate skis- they require you to commit 100% to them, and won't forgive anything. I misjudged a transition and have some nice bruises to show for it  The thing that clinched it was finding an ex-demo set, skiied for 4-5 days only,  for 230 euros, rather than the 700 euro MRP.

 

James

post #67 of 71
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When AJ showed for the pacesetter Trials at Nubs a few years ago five local guys beat him.

Mostly a wax issue but the Nubs race hill is unique.

 

Meanwhile, I got to ski my new 176 Hero Masters last night.

Out of the box, this pair needed a tune badly so I had Pat at the Tune Center give them his best.

It is always easy to increase base bevel so I had them set at 0.5/3.

I gave them several wax cycles with BP77 then threw a coat of CH7 on and took them out.

As I started feeling them out, I got more confident.

I was marveling at the precision of these skis and making big arcs when I got too excited.

Got late, got back, got spanked at about 35 mph.

Yes, these are real GS race skis and you had better ski them centered and pay attention.

A couple of days limping around and hot tubbing will remind me that in the future.

I think I'm going to more base bevel, at 0.5 there is no room for error.


I really like the performance of the rossi hero junior GS stock. SL also.  I M P R E S S I V E acceleration out of turns.  I didn't expect much from them.  Then I tested 'em on a course.  WOW.  fast.  My favorite jr GS ski right now for moderate (not too tight) gate sets. 

post #68 of 71
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I really like the performance of the rossi hero junior GS stock. SL also.  I M P R E S S I V E acceleration out of turns.  I didn't expect much from them.  Then I tested 'em on a course.  WOW.  fast.  My favorite jr GS ski right now for moderate (not too tight) gate sets. 

 

Is that the jr fis version?  I just looked them up they seem interesting.  I am sure they would be too short for me but a good option for adults lighter in weight.  They seem to have a smaller waist size and come with a very good side cut.  

 

I have been getting used to my masters this year and really like them.  They are bullet proof on ice and helped me gain around a half a second this year. Still interested in maybe going to a shorter radius ski but these hold so well on ice.  I really don't want to give that up and the energy in Rossignol skis is exhilarating.

post #69 of 71
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Originally Posted by utahsaint View Post
 

 

Is that the jr fis version?  I just looked them up they seem interesting.  I am sure they would be too short for me but a good option for adults lighter in weight.  They seem to have a smaller waist size and come with a very good side cut.  

 

I have been getting used to my masters this year and really like them.  They are bullet proof on ice and helped me gain around a half a second this year. Still interested in maybe going to a shorter radius ski but these hold so well on ice.  I really don't want to give that up and the energy in Rossignol skis is exhilarating.

 

 

Yes, the FIS version.  We're using a 17m version and it's fast.  The downside -- two delaminations this yr, the base material is inferior to say volkl (and all adult FIS stock) and the edge material does not hold an edge as long as Head race stock.  The downside to Volkl, we ordered a pair that came twisted, Volkl replaced those with ... another twisted pair.  So I'm concluding Volkl has a manufacturing problem and a clear quality control problem.  (see video at post 14). 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/146030/rossignol-blizzard-volkl-ski-defects-which-manufacturers-are-having-problems

 

I'm going to test the Volkl minor twisted pair this weekend. The head GS jr stock is also impressive.  Gorgeous fat edges, excellent construction quality and in my tests within tenths of the rossi race stock.  My kid turns just a little better on the Rossi so we use it race day.

post #70 of 71

FWIW, my sons' Rossi SL and GS skis have never delamed, never out of true. They're tuned in a shop, Wintersteiger and hotbox, periodically. Haven't heard about it as an issue for other racers, either, and we see a slew of Rossi race skis back here. Cannot speak to Volkl one way or the other. 

 

Great video link. Have had the same issues with my Swix iron, runs silly hot. IME, an ordinary household travel iron is more reliable. And cheaper, if you recycle one that obviously will no longer be used for clothing. 

post #71 of 71
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

FWIW, my sons' Rossi SL and GS skis have never delamed, never out of true. They're tuned in a shop, Wintersteiger and hotbox, periodically. Haven't heard about it as an issue for other racers, either, and we see a slew of Rossi race skis back here. Cannot speak to Volkl one way or the other. 

 

Great video link. Have had the same issues with my Swix iron, runs silly hot. IME, an ordinary household travel iron is more reliable. And cheaper, if you recycle one that obviously will no longer be used for clothing. 

 

We see a lot of Rossi race stock also, probably because their HQ and warehouse is here.  Their race department is top notch, extremely responsive and great to work with.  I love their skis.  We got a 2nd in the dual combine GS and 4th in the GS championships on Rossi last weekend.  Love em.  That said, when you tune your own skis, and tune a lot of different skis, and tune your skis 4 out of 6 days per week you'll notice key differences in race stock.  I source 20-30 rossi race pair every year and have noticed issues of stuff popping out of the bases.   Usually edge keys, and I suspect due to glue failures caused by waxing irons.  And the rossi edge material is not as durable in the Jr stock as Volkl or Head. Base material on the Volkl jr race stock is better than Rossi, however we're still racing the rossi =). 

 

I have a new pair of Volkl 156 gs that I'm going to test on a timed course this week against the rossi 151.  If the Volkl is faster I'll try to get a good pair (current pair is a little twisted) and they'll go into the race room maybe ahead of the Rossi.

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