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Vote results for 2015 Gathering -- Jackson Hole, Wy

post #1 of 173
Thread Starter 

There were 5 serious nominations and we voted it down to the top 3 and then voted again.

 

The nominees were

 

Aspen

 

Jackson Hole

 

Summit County

 

Taos

 

Whistler

 

People made various cases for the areas, pluses minus's were deliberated and the final 3 were

 

Jackson Hole

 

Taos

 

Whistler

 

 

And the winner is Jackson Hole

 

No dates or gathermeisters were decided just the place.

post #2 of 173

Another Jackson gathering.  There are several potential Gathermeisters, and I wonder if it might not also include Grand Targhee.  Good going guys!

post #3 of 173
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
 

Another Jackson gathering.  There are several potential Gathermeisters, and I wonder if it might not also include Grand Targhee.  Good going guys!

 

While nothing is certain, I'm highly confident that Targhee will see 1 day or more if Jackson is ultimately the destination dependent on the final reconciliation from the Mammoth Gathering.

 

 

Edited to reflect that this includes the vote from the Utah Gathering only.


Edited by jgiddyup - 2/5/14 at 6:02pm
post #4 of 173
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While nothing is certain, I'm highly confident that Targhee will see 1 day or more.

 

Yep.

post #5 of 173
I'm pretty excited that Jackson Hole is up for vote.
We will have another nomination and vote at the Mammoth gathering and have a poll to decide on one location for next year.

Jackson is a strong contender
post #6 of 173

Glad for Jackson and on behalf of the King Grump(s), Taos is worthy and should be a Gathering destination at some point soon.

post #7 of 173
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I'm pretty excited that Jackson Hole is up for vote.
We will have another nomination and vote at the Mammoth gathering and have a poll to decide on one location for next year.

Jackson is a strong contender 

Even though I did not vote for Jackson, I'm a bit puzzled how yesterday's decision could be overruled at Mammoth.  Mammoth will probably have lower attendance than this Gathering, Jackson won that vote by a quite decisive margin, and if I were one of yesterday's majority and found that the decision was changed by a smaller and different group later, I wouldn't be too happy about that. 

 

A combined vote from both Gatherings might be feasible, but someone would have needed to take notes of everyone's vote yesterday so that those attending Utah but not Mammoth would be counted.

 

I say that Jackson has been awarded a Gathering in the late January, very early February timeframe, and that the subject of a second Gathering in the late season should be discussed at Mammoth.  The runner-ups in yesterday's vote, Whistler and Taos, are both viable choices in March/early April.

post #8 of 173
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Even though I did not vote for Jackson, I'm a bit puzzled how yesterday's decision could be overruled at Mammoth.  Mammoth will probably have lower attendance than this Gathering, Jackson won that vote by a quite decisive margin, and if I were one of yesterday's majority and found that the decision was changed by a smaller and different group later, I wouldn't be too happy about that.

 

A combined vote from both Gatherings might be feasible, but someone would have needed to take notes of everyone's vote yesterday so that those attending Utah but not Mammoth would be counted.

 

I say that Jackson has been awarded a Gathering in the late January, very early February timeframe, and that the subject of a second Gathering in the late season should be discussed at Mammoth.  The runner-ups in yesterday's vote, Whistler and Taos, are both viable choices in March/early April.

I really like this idea

post #9 of 173
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

Even though I did not vote for Jackson, I'm a bit puzzled how yesterday's decision could be overruled at Mammoth.  Mammoth will probably have lower attendance than this Gathering, Jackson won that vote by a quite decisive margin, and if I were one of yesterday's majority and found that the decision was changed by a smaller and different group later, I wouldn't be too happy about that. 

 

A combined vote from both Gatherings might be feasible, but someone would have needed to take notes of everyone's vote yesterday so that those attending Utah but not Mammoth would be counted.

 

I say that Jackson has been awarded a Gathering in the late January, very early February timeframe, and that the subject of a second Gathering in the late season should be discussed at Mammoth.  The runner-ups in yesterday's vote, Whistler and Taos, are both viable choices in March/early April.

 

Ditto.

post #10 of 173

It was discussed in the 2015 Gathering thread that there will be a tally at both events then a consensus after that. It hasn't been decided if there will be one or two Gatherings next season. There is a chance that Jackson is voted by both groups, will we do two Gatherings at Jackson? All that has been decided so far is that Jackson Hole is a finalist for the 2015 Gathering options. 

post #11 of 173
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It was discussed in the 2015 Gathering thread that there will be a tally at both events then a consensus after that. 

Not sure how that consensus would be determined.  Some people vote at both Gatherings, others at one but not the other.

 

I think this is likely a moot point.  If attendance is very low at Mammoth, a plausible conclusion will be that it's hard to have 2 Gatherings and yesterday's vote with many more participating will determine the single Gathering next year.   If attendance at Mammoth is good, that implies we have the critical mass for 2 Gatherings next year, and it would seem logical that the "late season people" at Mammoth make the call for the second Gathering.

post #12 of 173
Based on conversation at dinner tonight, I think there is going to be a fair amount of overlap in the attendees here and at mammoth.
post #13 of 173
Why not just have a thread with votes only open to those that attended one or both gatherings after the late season gathering is over? If there will only be one gathering next year then we use the top choice. If two gatherings are chosen then the top two choices are used.
post #14 of 173
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Based on conversation at dinner tonight, I think there is going to be a fair amount of overlap in the attendees here and at mammoth.

 

We're counting on that and think that its possible that there won't be a need for a poll

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Why not just have a thread with votes only open to those that attended one or both gatherings after the late season gathering is over? If there will only be one gathering next year then we use the top choice. If two gatherings are chosen then the top two choices are used.

The idea is to have a vote at each gathering, the post a poll asking those who attend or who have honest intentions of attending to vote. 

The poll will be 

Jackson Hole

(mammoth selection)

both. 

 

Its possible that the Mammoth attendees will vote for JH too, and no need for a poll.  Its also possible that the attendees will vote to do two again, but that's up to those who put the effort into attending Gatherings. 

post #15 of 173
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Its possible that the Mammoth attendees will vote for JH too, and no need for a poll.  Its also possible that the attendees will vote to do two again, but that's up to those who put the effort into attending Gatherings. 

This outcome (JH) is rather likely but not guaranteed seeing that JH just got as many votes as all other choices combined.

post #16 of 173

First, for me,  "when" the '15 Gathering(s) will be held is equally important as "where". While I was in Utah and voted for Jackson, I remain uncomfortable that the time-frame remains an open issue. My sense, from speaking with those in attendance, is that Jackson Hole is desired during winter conditions where powder is probable, so, a late Jan to early Feb. would be best.. If anyone present in  Utah during the vote believes differently, please post your take on what you experienced.

 

During the voting at Big Sky last year,  a late season Gathering in Ca.  was proposed initially and approved. Late season Gatherings appeal to those in the ski business, and, by many, like me, who end our seasons there when our home mountains close. When Utah was proposed last year, there was much interest in having a mid-winter Gathering, and, the second Gathering was approved. Utah turned out to be a great success. Perhaps it stole some stoke from Mammout/Squaw. Perhaps Utah claimed those who only do one Gathering. I believe that 2 Gatherings remain a viable option, but, there needs to be spacing between them.

 

I do not think the vote for Jackson Hole can be discarded without upsetting those in Utah, but, the timeframe and Gathermister  should be finalized  ASAP and prior to any Mamouth vote.

post #17 of 173
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First, for me,  "when" the '15 Gathering(s) will be held is equally important as "where". While I was in Utah and voted for Jackson, I remain uncomfortable that the time-frame remains an open issue. My sense, from speaking with those in attendance, is that Jackson Hole is desired during winter conditions where powder is probable, so, a late Jan to early Feb. would be best.. If anyone present in  Utah during the vote believes differently, please post your take on what you experienced.

 

During the voting at Big Sky last year,  a late season Gathering in Ca.  was proposed initially and approved. Late season Gatherings appeal to those in the ski business, and, by many, like me, who end our seasons there when our home mountains close. When Utah was proposed last year, there was much interest in having a mid-winter Gathering, and, the second Gathering was approved. Utah turned out to be a great success. Perhaps it stole some stoke from Mammout/Squaw. Perhaps Utah claimed those who only do one Gathering. I believe that 2 Gatherings remain a viable option, but, there needs to be spacing between them.

 

I do not think the vote for Jackson Hole can be discarded without upsetting those in Utah, but, the timeframe and Gathermister  should be finalized  ASAP and prior to any Mamouth vote.

 

First of all, dude, you gave me your nasty cold. But despite that, I agree with a lot that you posted. Especially "when" being very important.

 

I think a single prime-season Gathering is a great idea. I'll use a SWAG definition (Tony C will likely disagree but mebbe not) of prime season being from late January to mid-March.

 

IMHO, those who've attended the past year's Gatherings should be the only ones allowed to vote. They were the ones to belly up to the bar. A general poll of EpicSki Members will likely skew the results, since by my SWAG, I'd put the likelihood of the previous years Gathering attendee to attend the next year's at > 50%, but the random Epic member at 10% at best.

 

Proposed Gathering Schedule:

  • Prime-time Western Gathering (late Jan to mid March.) In reality, the Big Kahona.
  • Mid Atlantic Gathering - traditionally the weekend after President's Day weekend. Ideally the Big Kahona does not overlap.
  • East Coast Gathering. I'll defer to Kev R, but seems like it's been mid-March. Ideally the Big Kahona does not overlap. In reality, the Big Kahona will likely have to overlap occasionally with one of the two Eastern Gatherings, but hopefully not too often.
  • Late season Gathering - Early/mid April. As LP said, this is a good great time for those of us in the east whose areas have closed and those working in ski shops, for ski areas, ski companies, etc. Sorry Phil and Trish, but I wish you'd scheduled the Mammoth/Tahoe Gathering a bit later. Due to traditional snowpack, this Gathering would be limited to places such as Mammoth, Tahoe, Snowbird, Whistler/Blackcomb, maybe Summit County. (And a few others which I'm sure will be mentioned.)
  • Mother's Day Gathering. If your feet and liver can tolerate more abuse.
  • Occasional or regular South American Gathering in August?

 

Sorry Europe, I guess I have a North American bias, but I think the European trip group is from a separate member pool with the occasional dabbler from one of the other groups. Again, SWAG on my part.

post #18 of 173

We now live in the time of the Internet.  Although the original "rules" for voting on the next season's Gathering worked fine I think that opening up the vote by using the Epic forum for participants from any of the 3 previous Gatherings would actually generate more goodwill on Epic's part.  I couldn't go this season, but I sure would have liked to have voted given that I've been to 3 previous Gatherings.  The whole point of limiting the vote to the actual attendees was to keep it amongst voters that actually will show up.  Expanding the voting base to others that have shown up previously would increase our options.  Utilizing the forum for the vote and discussion would provide for a greater audience of participation.  The major challenge of course is maintaining the list of "valid" voters and ensuring that only those voters' votes are tallied.  Luckily we do have the attendee lists from the previous Gatherings available on the forum.  If there's any question whether someone attended they could seek out someone to vouch for them that has unquestionably been present.

 

So the question becomes whether or not we can come to an agreement on changing how Gatherings are voted upon.  If not, it's all good.  I don't have a lot of skin in this game, just thought I'd express my viewpoint on the voting process.

post #19 of 173
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Originally Posted by gregmerz View Post
 

Glad for Jackson and on behalf of the King Grump(s), Taos is worthy and should be a Gathering destination at some point soon.


THIS!  I don't have a dog in the fight but Taos is a place that belongs on everyone's bucket list.

 

Still waiting for a Buck Hill ESA LOL!

post #20 of 173
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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post
 

First, for me,  "when" the '15 Gathering(s) will be held is equally important as "where". While I was in Utah and voted for Jackson, I remain uncomfortable that the time-frame remains an open issue. My sense, from speaking with those in attendance, is that Jackson Hole is desired during winter conditions where powder is probable, so, a late Jan to early Feb. would be best.. If anyone present in  Utah during the vote believes differently, please post your take on what you experienced.

 

During the voting at Big Sky last year,  a late season Gathering in Ca.  was proposed initially and approved. Late season Gatherings appeal to those in the ski business, and, by many, like me, who end our seasons there when our home mountains close. When Utah was proposed last year, there was much interest in having a mid-winter Gathering, and, the second Gathering was approved. Utah turned out to be a great success. Perhaps it stole some stoke from Mammoth/Squaw. Perhaps Utah claimed those who only do one Gathering. I believe that 2 Gatherings remain a viable option, but, there needs to be spacing between them.

 

I do not think the vote for Jackson Hole can be discarded without upsetting those in Utah, but, the timeframe and Gathermeister  should be finalized  ASAP and prior to any Mammoth vote.

All excellent points

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I'll use a SWAG definition (Tony C will likely disagree but mebbe not) of prime season being from late January to mid-March. 

Reasonable generalization, but can be different for certain specific areas.  Jackson is perhaps the most conspicuous exception to that generalization. 

 

With Jackson hopefully scheduled into the early range of that timeframe, there will be adequate spacing for a possible Gathering in late March/early April next year.  There seems to be some sentiment for Taos, and one of its last weeks open (closes first weekend of April) would be reasonable time there.

 

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 We now live in the time of the Internet.  Although the original "rules" for voting on the next season's Gathering worked fine I think that opening up the vote by using the Epic forum for participants from any of the 3 previous Gatherings would actually generate more goodwill on Epic's part.  I couldn't go this season, but I sure would have liked to have voted given that I've been to 3 previous Gatherings.  The whole point of limiting the vote to the actual attendees was to keep it amongst voters that actually will show up.  Expanding the voting base to others that have shown up previously would increase our options.  Utilizing the forum for the vote and discussion would provide for a greater audience of participation.  The major challenge of course is maintaining the list of "valid" voters and ensuring that only those voters' votes are tallied.  Luckily we do have the attendee lists from the previous Gatherings available on the forum.  If there's any question whether someone attended they could seek out someone to vouch for them that has unquestionably been present. 

I'd say if you're not at the current Gathering, you need to have attended at least 2 prior Gatherings including one of the past 3 to have a vote.

post #21 of 173

Any idea on a month yet for next year's gathering? (aka "The Big Kahona"???)

 

 

I need to have my vacation request for next year in before April first. Just need to know months that I would want time off in and was wanting to keep that month free...

post #22 of 173

There is another vote scheduled at the Mammoth/Squaw Gathering as to where this will be

 

Dates however are not usually finalized until the early summer

 

My guess would be sometime late January -> February  with February being very probable

 

But what do I know, this can be a discussion topic for the Mammoth/Squaw Gathering

post #23 of 173

We had our vote here at The Mammoth Gathering and we are on board with Jackson Hole. We the other thing discussed is that we missed the social aspect of ONE BIG GATHERING, so for next year there will be only one  western event. Now that does not mean, that someone can put together a mini gathering of their design and invite people, but there will one main Gathering at Jackson Hole. Dates are TBD as soon as ge can get someone to step up as the Gathermeister for the event we can get more details pinned down. 

post #24 of 173
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Dates are TBD as soon as ge can get someone to step up as the Gathermeister for the event we can get more details pinned down. 

Who's better than @Bob Peters for this? :rolleyes

post #25 of 173
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Who's better than @Bob Peters for this? :rolleyes

It is a volunteer position, not an appointed one. I agree, @Bob Peters or @tetonpwdrjunkie could be great options...but they need to be willing/able to spend the time to invest. 

post #26 of 173
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It is a volunteer position, not an appointed one. I agree, @Bob Peters or @tetonpwdrjunkie could be great options...but they need to be willing/able to spend the time to invest. 

IIRC @Uncle Louie helped with the Jackson Hole Gathering last time we were there.  He's not a local but he sure knows how to make a gathering Epic!

post #27 of 173

So Jackson Hole it is.  I'm hoping for a late February (or possibly early March) week for this gathering.

post #28 of 173
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

We had our vote here at The Mammoth Gathering and we are on board with Jackson Hole. We the other thing discussed is that we missed the social aspect of ONE BIG GATHERING, so for next year there will be only one  western event. Now that does not mean, that someone can put together a mini gathering of their design and invite people, but there will one main Gathering at Jackson Hole. Dates are TBD as soon as ge can get someone to step up as the Gathermeister for the event we can get more details pinned down. 

Glad to hear this!

post #29 of 173
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So Jackson Hole it is.  I'm hoping for a late February (or possibly early March) week for this gathering.

 

This ^

post #30 of 173

Let the self-nomination process begin for the 15 Jackson Hole Gathermeister. I would nominate JohnL;)....I think Jgiddyup proved it does not need to be a local. But, nobody would argue against Bob Peters. And, yes, Uncle Louie just rules.

 

Just sayin' but memory recall from Utah indicated that a more winter weather time period, with a slightly higher powder probability, seemed to be a preference. My sense is that nailing down a timeframe is more of an issue. Early March does not work well for me as my home mountain is still open., I'd prefer to end my season in the west near the end of March. Perhaps a dreaded poll should be opened for time frame. I'm just one vote, we all need to speak for ourselves.

 

Also, if you are headed to JH next season, the 2015 Mountain Collective Pass thread indicates that anyone purchasing now gets a third day at a one of their mountains. So we have the opportunity to ski 3 free days at Jackson then get 50 percent off the other days. Pass pays for itself in 4 days.

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