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post #31 of 41

Thanks Phil.  At some point in the past, @SierraJim posted with his perceived relative stiffness of the 98 class, something like:

 

2x4 > Mantra >  [A bunch of other 98 class skis] >>>>>> S3 > Noodle.

 

I'd love to see a post or article from you SH guys updating that with the new crop in comparison with the old.  Having the old Mantra, Hell & Back and S3 in there would give us some good reference points for the new skis.

post #32 of 41

This is the best shot I can give ya and shouldn't be taken too seriously but............

 

(Stiffest) '14 Mantra > '14 Ex98 > '15 Mantra = '15 Ex100 > (Medium) Bonafide >> SR 95 = Fisch 96 > SR 100 > Armada Declivity = Line SN 100 > (Softish) Nrgy 100 = Annex 98 > Quest 98 >>> (Soft) S3

 

So.....the category as a whole has gotten a touch softer. The two stiffest from '14 remain such for '15 but they both came a notch softer and closer to the Bone which remains the same. The middle skis are very close and are about interchangeable from this perspective.

 

SJ 

post #33 of 41

About the 2014 Mantra...would I see a big difference between the 184 and the 177?

post #34 of 41
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About the 2014 Mantra...would I see a big difference between the 184 and the 177?

 

The glib answer would be do you consider 7cm "big"..................:D

 

Actually, (at least recently) Volkl has not adjusted their flexes according to length very well and hence their shorter skis often feel stiffer than their longer ones. Length choices are more preference than anything else.

 

SJ

post #35 of 41

One thing I learned lately is how different the same ski can feel with just a 5 cm difference...

 

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

 

The glib answer would be do you consider 7cm "big"..................:D

 

Actually, (at least recently) Volkl has not adjusted their flexes according to length very well and hence their shorter skis often feel stiffer than their longer ones. Length choices are more preference than anything else.

 

SJ

Same thing with Dynastar speed course ti... I prefered the 183 cm in bumps over the 178 because it felt less stiff...

post #36 of 41

Hey all,

 

First post for me.  I'm an east coast skier (Sugarloafer) and the proud owner of the 12-13 Mantra in 177 and the 12-13 Katana (non V-Werks) in 184.  I always felt that the flex consistency was way off with my mantra because of its early-rise tip.  I consistently felt it was very soft at turn initiation and then the camber would kick in creating an entirely different (stiffer) feel for the rest of the turn shape.  If you weren't paying attention, you could get popped over the handle bars pretty easily.

 

I enjoyed the Katana's low profile rocker so much that for a few months in 2013 this was my daily driver at the Loaf mainly because the power delivery was so smooth and it was a beast on hardpack i was aggressive enough.  Anything less than 100% commitment on hardpack and you lose edge grip. Understandably since its not a GS ski!   In 2014, I used the mantra as my daily driver because the katana is just not ideal for skiing 80% hardpack/variable but I always told myself that if they only made the 12-13 Katana in a narrower version I would jump all over it. 

 

Can anyone confirm/corroborate that the 14-15 Mantra is a narrower version of the 12-13 Katana (non v-werks) and could potentially be my dream ski!!??  or am I just being wishful??

 

Thanks in advance!

post #37 of 41

Welcome. Own the same Mantra. Understand about the flex, although I'm a weirdo who loves to pay attention, and IMO the tip's still pretty stiff, so not a deal breaker. The 14-15 is not a narrower version; it's actually 2 mm wider. But it's likely to ski differently, now that it has full rocker, and apparently is a bit softer. Getting nice reviews. But if you still love your Katanas, why go for a ski that close in width, why not get the actual narrower Mantra, which is the Kendo? Or you might like the Blizzard Brahma, which will have most of the grip and power, but be easier going. 

post #38 of 41

Beyond,

 

Thanks for the reply!  To clarify one my comments...I realize the new Mantra is 2mm wider than the 2013 Mantra, but what I'm actually I'm looking to know is if anyone can verify that the new mantra is a "mini version" or "skinny version" of the old Katana.

 

I've thought about going with the Kendo, but since its early tip rise, it really won't be much different than my current Mantra.  In fact, i think it will perform worse than my current mantra in crud because it is narrower.

 

Regarding your comment about the tip of the 2013 Mantra:  I consider my self a very aggressive skier (e.g. steep edge angles, dynamic, etc.)...sometimes too aggressive in the sense I can over pressure the tip of the 12/13 mantra and almost "stall out" because of the tip rise.  I've found I've had to change my body position to be more upright/centered and less over the tip of the ski.  With these small adjustments, I've come to love the 12/13 mantra.   But what intrigues me, is the full low profile rocker of the new 2015 Mantra (similar to the 12/13 katana) that will provide a more consistent flex.

 

Which brings me full circle to my question at the top....is the 2015 mantra a mini version of the 2013 katana?  Seems like it might be...

 

Next question for anyone, I'm currently mounted minus 2 from center on my 2013 Mantras because I like a more traditional ski mounting.  Can anyone comment on going back from center?

post #39 of 41
Thread Starter 

The new Mantra does ski more like a 7/8ths version of the zero camber Katana than it does like the previous generation Mantra. Where the outgoing Mantra was a tenacious ski, the new one is much more obtainable with still being able to be skied aggressively. I for one will miss the camber but off piste where you will be in the snow and not on it, the Mantra excels. While the new ski does not have the hard snow prowess of the 2014 Mantra, it is better in many other areas like bumps, trees, soft snow and just overall ease and playfulness. 

post #40 of 41

Philpug,

 

Thank you!  This is exactly what I was hoping to hear.   I think I'll take some measurements of my binding position on my 2013 Mantras regardless of "volkl" center and mimic that on the new Mantra.  I hate that the trend is to be more on the center-mounted side of things.

post #41 of 41
2015 Volkl Mantra, the one ski that does it all from hard pack to powder. I have a number of skis, 3 sets are Volkls if I had to take one ski on a trip this would be the one. this is a all new ski from last year and is wider 100cm now and has a full rocker. I skied on hard pack and it carved with out a fight, in the soft snow it is a dream. this may be one of the best skis I have ever owned. It also handles speed well and is very stable even on hard gravely snow. I love these skis.
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