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post #31 of 45
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The Sheeva is twin tip and 6mm wider, which doesn't seem like a lot, but the profile makes it a bit more powder specific.  

 

Glad you found the special feel from the Samba that I've grown to love.  Its truly a great all mountain ski with an off piste bias.  When you know how to drive her, she's happy to serve up rewards that are indescribable!


Decisions, decisions for the move to Utah! Seems I'd be better served going into the 110 width range to compliment the Sambas. Not sure it'd be necessary, though?? Each run on the Sambas, I found myself going faster and faster, but never FELT like I was going faster in that they were so stable! And I had no trouble making shorter radius turns on them, either, even at slower speeds near the bottom of the runs. We are making another Utah trip in a few weeks, and I'll only be bringing one pair of skis :D

post #32 of 45

Phil-

 

Any direct comparison you can offer between the MX98 and the "old" (current) Mantra?  I have only had the opportunity to ski the FX94 in 176 and the BMX 108 in 188, both of which I enjoyed.  (I typically ski the 184)

 

I am deciding whether I want to stock up on the current Mantra or, notwithstanding the price issue, if I can wait until my current pair is shot knowing there is a suitable replacement available such as the MX98.

post #33 of 45
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Phil-

 

Any direct comparison you can offer between the MX98 and the "old" (current) Mantra?  I have only had the opportunity to ski the FX94 in 176 and the BMX 108 in 188, both of which I enjoyed.  (I typically ski the 184)

 

I am deciding whether I want to stock up on the current Mantra or, notwithstanding the price issue, if I can wait until my current pair is shot knowing there is a suitable replacement available such as the MX98.

 While these two skis look similar on paper, the on snow feel is where the difference lie and that is smoothness and refinement. Kastle has a way with making their metal skis that allow a level of ease without loosing their power where the current Mantra is all brute. It is like comparing the refinement of a Porsche to a big block Chevy or ford, sure both will go 150MPH, but how they do it is completely different. In one right or wrong? No, it is what you want and enjoy.

post #34 of 45
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 While these two skis look similar on paper, the on snow feel is where the difference lie and that is smoothness and refinement. Kastle has a way with making their metal skis that allow a level of ease without loosing their power where the current Mantra is all brute. It is like comparing the refinement of a Porsche to a big block Chevy or ford, sure both will go 150MPH, but how they do it is completely different. In one right or wrong? No, it is what you want and enjoy.

 

Phil,

 

Thanks for your reply.  I certainly agree with what you are saying about refinement.  There is no question Kastle has this dialed in across their line of skis.  As much as I love the current Mantra, the feel is harsh.  I also ski the Katana, which I have a love/hate relationship with; I often wish I could combine its rocker profile with the flex and feel of the BMX 108, but I digress.  Certainly a given that the Kastle is going to have that unmistakably smooth feel.

 

I guess what I was wondered was more in line with performance rather then feel.  I have heard people say the 184 MX98 is a beast of ski, but I am always left wondering "relative to what . . .  "

 

I noticed that your review states that it doesn't ski like a 184 ski with a 27m radius.  I wondered if you could expand on this relative to the Mantra?  By example, I skied the Nordica Hell and Back and it skied long for a 185 (as certain Nordicas do, but felt a bit soft to me).  I am particularly curious if the Kastle skis "true to length," which I consider the Mantra to.

 

For me the 184 Mantra is a rare ski that feels "just right" for me at 6' 1" 200 pounds.  Not too long, not to short, always stable, carves great, good enough in crud and a ski I can take right up to the edge of overpowering without it giving in and letting me down.   If the MX98 gives me all of that with the smooth Kastle feel then it might just be worth the price tag.

post #35 of 45
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Phil,

 

Thanks for your reply.  I certainly agree with what you are saying about refinement.  There is no question Kastle has this dialed in across their line of skis.  As much as I love the current Mantra, the feel is harsh.  I also ski the Katana, which I have a love/hate relationship with; I often wish I could combine its rocker profile with the flex and feel of the BMX 108, but I digress.  Certainly a given that the Kastle is going to have that unmistakably smooth feel.

 

I guess what I was wondered was more in line with performance rather then feel.  I have heard people say the 184 MX98 is a beast of ski, but I am always left wondering "relative to what . . .  "

 

I noticed that your review states that it doesn't ski like a 184 ski with a 27m radius.  I wondered if you could expand on this relative to the Mantra?  By example, I skied the Nordica Hell and Back and it skied long for a 185 (as certain Nordicas do, but felt a bit soft to me).  I am particularly curious if the Kastle skis "true to length," which I consider the Mantra to.

 

For me the 184 Mantra is a rare ski that feels "just right" for me at 6' 1" 200 pounds.  Not too long, not to short, always stable, carves great, good enough in crud and a ski I can take right up to the edge of overpowering without it giving in and letting me down.   If the MX98 gives me all of that with the smooth Kastle feel then it might just be worth the price tag.


For you, the 184 MX98 will be a perfect size. I was actually surprised how well the 184 worked in the bumps, I expected it to be more of a bear but I think it has to do with again the Kastle ability to belie dimensions in their ski construction. Now, if we can just get them to go to a 7-8cm increment starting with a 177-180 reference size for the men.

post #36 of 45
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For you, the 184 MX98 will be a perfect size. I was actually surprised how well the 184 worked in the bumps, I expected it to be more of a bear but I think it has to do with again the Kastle ability to belie dimensions in their ski construction. Now, if we can just get them to go to a 7-8cm increment starting with a 177-180 reference size for the men.

Thanks again for your replies.  Yes, that comment on sizing seems to be shared by many.  I am lucky that the current sizing works well for me, but I know it doesn't for many.

post #37 of 45
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Now, if we can just get them to go to a 7-8cm increment starting with a 177-180 reference size for the men.

Hear this Kastle? HEAR THIS KASTLE? 

post #38 of 45
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For you, the 184 MX98 will be a perfect size. I was actually surprised how well the 184 worked in the bumps, I expected it to be more of a bear but I think it has to do with again the Kastle ability to belie dimensions in their ski construction. Now, if we can just get them to go to a 7-8cm increment starting with a 177-180 reference size for the men.

 

Boy howdy! and then some. Ski manufacturers often just don't get that they would sell more skis if they made more sizes within the "wheelhouse zone" for most skiers. In Men's all mountain skis, (expert level) the vast majority are sold in the range between 176 and 184. Many ski makers only offer one size in that range b/c they are dead set and determined to have same size gaps throughout their collections. They would absolutely be more successful if they took the key size ranges and offered at least two or even three sizes in the key range.

 

But they don't.................................

 

All settled in @ Mammoth and ready to start the test process tomorrow.

 

SJ

post #39 of 45

Yeah, folks would find it WAY easier to choose a ski if they had three slightly different sizes to agonize over instead of one (relatively) obvious choice, that'd help. If Kastle decided to build a 177 and a 184, is there ANY doubt that there would be a great gnashing of teeth from folks here wanting a 180cm???* 

 

Ski companies need to drop the business plan of 'selling more skis' and figure out how to have a sustainable business in a gradually shrinking industry. The best way to do that is to make way less SKU's, cut the product lines in half to start. Sure add a few sizes on key models, but for the love of god, stop building 5 different ski models targeted at the same skier. 

 

Kastle, you don't need MX, BMX and FX skis (you also need to drop the freestyle line... and probably the TX while we're at it). 

Blizzard, you don't need to build Black Pearl, Bushwhacker, Brahma and Magnum 8.5

Stockli, you think you need Laser SX, Laser CX and Laser SC??

 

 

 

 

 

*reminds me of a joke, a mother buys her son two sweaters for Christmas, the son runs upstairs and returns a moment later with one of the sweaters on. The mom looks at her son and says disappointedly "you didn't like the other sweater?"

post #40 of 45
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Hear this Kastle? HEAR THIS KASTLE? 

 

you know they have heard it, everyone tells them that. They just don't want to listen. They know better........  (sarcasm) I would love to hear the party line for the logic behind tieing in ski width to length?  so what's the relationship between a FX104 and a 174/184? A MX83 to a 173/183?  Its really like they are trying to create more differentiation in the lines by ski length alone. 

post #41 of 45
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I thnk we will be seeing changes coming down the road at Kastle, there is some new management in place and they seemed to hear what we discussed...now it still depends how much were they willing to listen.
post #42 of 45
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Yeah, folks would find it WAY easier to choose a ski if they had three slightly different sizes to agonize over instead of one (relatively) obvious choice, that'd help. If Kastle decided to build a 177 and a 184, is there ANY doubt that there would be a great gnashing of teeth from folks here wanting a 180cm???* 

 

Ski companies need to drop the business plan of 'selling more skis' and figure out how to have a sustainable business in a gradually shrinking industry. The best way to do that is to make way less SKU's, cut the product lines in half to start. Sure add a few sizes on key models, but for the love of god, stop building 5 different ski models targeted at the same skier. 

 

Kastle, you don't need MX, BMX and FX skis (you also need to drop the freestyle line... and probably the TX while we're at it). 

Blizzard, you don't need to build Black Pearl, Bushwhacker, Brahma and Magnum 8.5

Stockli, you think you need Laser SX, Laser CX and Laser SC??

 

 

 

 

 

*reminds me of a joke, a mother buys her son two sweaters for Christmas, the son runs upstairs and returns a moment later with one of the sweaters on. The mom looks at her son and says disappointedly "you didn't like the other sweater?"

Kastle makes a TX?

 

If Stockli made an SCX we'd be back to the future. Amazing how a small builder like Stockli shoots itself in the foot by making so many models.

 

 

post #43 of 45
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Kastle makes a TX?

 

If Stockli made an SCX we'd be back to the future. Amazing how a small builder like Stockli shoots itself in the foot by making so many models.

 

 

Spoke briefly to some European guy at Alta on the top of one of the steeper groomers that was a little scratchy. He was on TX107s. They looked sweet, and he was telling me how he loved them because they were ridiculously light for hiking. Then he bombed down the slope, leaving me in his snowdust with nary a chatter. I was impressed.

post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by smails View Post
 

 

 

 

For me the 184 Mantra is a rare ski that feels "just right" for me at 6' 1" 200 pounds.  Not too long, not to short, always stable, carves great, good enough in crud and a ski I can take right up to the edge of overpowering without it giving in and letting me down.   If the MX98 gives me all of that with the smooth Kastle feel then it might just be worth the price tag.

Agreed

 

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For you, the 184 MX98 will be a perfect size. I was actually surprised how well the 184 worked in the bumps, I expected it to be more of a bear but I think it has to do with again the Kastle ability to belie dimensions in their ski construction. Now, if we can just get them to go to a 7-8cm increment starting with a 177-180 reference size for the men.

At 6 feet and 210 pounds, I often fall between 2 lenghts... I discovered this year that the longer lenght of the 2 choices was often the smoothest in bumps. I think it has to do with the fact that if you take 2 pieces of 2x4, the longest one will be easier to bent (but will be more trouble to carry around...).
post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
 

Yeah, folks would find it WAY easier to choose a ski if they had three slightly different sizes to agonize over instead of one (relatively) obvious choice, that'd help. If Kastle decided to build a 177 and a 184, is there ANY doubt that there would be a great gnashing of teeth from folks here wanting a 180cm???* 

 

Ski companies need to drop the business plan of 'selling more skis' and figure out how to have a sustainable business in a gradually shrinking industry. The best way to do that is to make way less SKU's, cut the product lines in half to start. Sure add a few sizes on key models, but for the love of god, stop building 5 different ski models targeted at the same skier. 

 

Kastle, you don't need MX, BMX and FX skis (you also need to drop the freestyle line... and probably the TX while we're at it). 

Blizzard, you don't need to build Black Pearl, Bushwhacker, Brahma and Magnum 8.5

Stockli, you think you need Laser SX, Laser CX and Laser SC??

 

 

 

 

 

*reminds me of a joke, a mother buys her son two sweaters for Christmas, the son runs upstairs and returns a moment later with one of the sweaters on. The mom looks at her son and says disappointedly "you didn't like the other sweater?"

Totally agree with you!!  Last time I was in a shop this year sales guy told me I needed several pairs (3-4)! lol  Now 2 pairs comes to mind, one for the midwest to rip some good turns on hard packed powered and another for out West via the all Mountain route. Growing up I had 1 pair and skied them everywhere, yes straight skis did ski power and they still can, you just get one hell of a workout with them! ;)

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