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2 Boot Issues: Can't stand up relaxed but can't get boot to flex forward...

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hello, I have two issues with my boots, which may or may not be related... But I feel they're causing problems for me when carving on groomers. I'm hoping someone can help.  

Male, 140lbs, Athletic, Advanced Skier Level 

Boots: Dalbello Krypton Pro (2010?)  

Skis: Blizzard Bonafides 173


1. When I'm standing around in my boots (not in the skis), I can't 'stand up straight'.  I'm constantly in a flexed leg position with the quads being activated. This is when I'm standing around buying lift tickets, etc, out of my skis. Standing for prologned periods is VERY uncomfortable. I know that the Krypton is known for it's upright stance so I find this strange.  I have the boots setup with no chip in the back (so they should be as vertical as they can get).  

2. On the skis, it feels the opposite. I have trouble getting forward in the boot (flexing it). I'm very light (140lbs) for the boot and I have it setup with the softest tongue (which I think makes it ~90/100 flex).  But I still feel like I can't get onto the shins enough (even on flat terrain--so it's not me being in the backseat, etc.)   I always feel like I can't drive the boot too well because of stiffness or the fact that the boot has me in a weird position on non-control where I can't really lean into the shin no matter how hard I really try.  I explain it to people as feeling like my foot/ankle are in a weird position keeping me from being able to 'get forward' in the boot.  I have the stock insoles.  As a side note I felt this more when I used custom molded (not sure how properly) insoles that were tranfered into the Kryptons from an older boot--so I removed them.  


Are these two things related?  It seems to me like if #1 were true, #2 would not be an issue, but it's not the case.  Any ideas on this??


Thanks for any help! 



post #2 of 11
Thread Starter 

Oh, I should also add... I don't feel real 'stable/balanced' in the boot.  On cattrack roads (flatter than greens) for instance I feel like I'm having to balance way too much. As if I'm on my heels.  I don't feel real stable (bottom of foot stability) in the boots unless I'm turning/have the ski on edge so that it's putting a lot of pressure into the ski/forefoot).  

post #3 of 11

too little relative info to help you.


get the basics first with a shell fit check. what do you measure on a mondopoint sizer? what is the shell fit like. what size is the boot.


what is your ski/binding set-up, cause that is having some influence if there is a great difference when in skis and out of skis.


WAG - boot too big, boot too tall for your lower leg, odd calf size relative to the rest of you, did someone mess mess with your boot boards? raised or lowered?


are you vertically challenged?


send pictures of mondopint measuring/ shell check, your foot/ your lower leg including calf, your height, your 12th birthday party.



post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

I'll reply with what I have right now.. 


- Boot is 25.5 

- I was sized by a boot fitter (actually one recommended from this site) ... I don't have a mondo sizer here but: 

- Empty shell (no liner), with toes gently pressed against front of shell, there is 1.8" of space behind my heel and back of heel pocket. (measured by putting fingers behind heel, then measuring fingers) 

- The length of my foot (heel to big toe) (longest) is 10.0", which is 25.4cm or 26mondo.   

- I have wide feet (had to grind the inside of the boot out)... D or E width if I recall.  

- I'm on Marker Griffon bindings, mounted directly to the Bonafides.  

- No one messed with my boot boards. (boots come with soft/hard options; hard are installed) 

- I'm only 5'6.5" 

- Fairly well developed calf muscles (cyclist) 

- Confirmed boot w/soft tongue installed is 100flex  

- My foot doesn't really ever feel like it's sliding around in the boot, although I run my buckle force pretty tight (I don't like loose fitting boots/shoes) But I often feel 'locked in, back on my heel and unable to 'get forward' on the boot.  

- Still working on those b-day party pics ;) 

post #5 of 11



"1.8" of space behind my heel and back of heel pocket." your quote.


sounds like the boot may be too big---are you over tightening the lower buckles?


Calf is large, pushing your knees too far forward, quads burn and all you feel is the back of the calf---you need to have the boot cuff flared to the rear to allow you to stand more upright.


then the front of the boot (shin area) would be available to you.



post #6 of 11
Thread Starter 

Well the 1.8" did seem like a lot to me, but the Intuition liner is pretty thick (also doesn't break in much) and I've never had any fore/after movement (the boot fits very snug front to back) and at 10" I'm technically in too small of a shell (should be a 26 based on size charts).  I do however, think you're on to something with the calf.  As you can see from this attached image, I'm standing in a position where I'm not 'fighting the boot'.  To stand up straighter any straight I'd be pushing/fighting against the back of the boot and it's like a leg workout. This is the 'relaxed' position where I'm not pushing against the front or back of the boot collar and you can see my lower leg angle and knee are really far forward.  I have the top buckle on the 'wide calf' mount and it's still kind of too much for the boot as you can see by the 'power strap' having more than a couple inches more of Velcro.  Ironically this forward position should make it easier for me to get more shin pressure when on snow, but it doesn't seem to help--maybe because I'm fighting to stand up straighter so I'm not blowing my legs up by squatting all day just to stand in the boots?? 


post #7 of 11

It is simple-----your boot is too large. the interesting thing about size charts is they seldom agree with sizing a boot by doing a shell check.


the liner will pack out in a short time-----probably 6 to 10 days of skiing.


good luck







post #8 of 11

in the above picture, drop a straight line from the knee cap and it falls forward of the boots centerline. the boot sole center is a convenient target of where you might want to start your skiing from.


also you could reduce the boot height and or flare the rear spoiler.


i am curious to know what your ROM is like in your ankle during dorsiflexion? a balanced ankle joint is the engine that drives the balance train in fore/aft movement.


also the griffon is relatively flat ramp binding. have you tried any other skis with different ramp angles to see if they work better?



post #9 of 11

a good time to remind you and other readers that a ski boot in not a tool to hold you in the correct skiing position. so many times we respond to skiers on this forum that are looking for the boot to be a crutch that keeps them from being out of position or locks them into a proper skiing stance.


at best the perfect set-up of a ski boot, allows it to be an early warning system for when you begin to get out of position. from there it is completely up to the pilot as the french love to say, to adapt your COM over your feet and therefore your skis to re-center into that balanced position calmly awaiting the next signal from your well balanced early warning system of a boot.


when the boot does not properly contain the foot, all bets are off because your early warning system becomes a moving target that never allows you to relax. in fact it cause just the opposite, which increases muscle fatigue and greatly reduces the fun factor of using gravity as you friend to rip down the mountain.



post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

@Jim, below are dorsiflexion images. I have not tried any other skis/bindings with different ramp angles. Wouldn't know where to start with that as I don't know which bindings have which ramp angles, etc. Then would need to track them down as rentals, etc.  


@Mike, I really appreciate your input but I don't know how the boots could be too big--or should I say THAT big as to affect balance, etc.(?)  They're smaller than my recommended Mondo size and sized by a well known (in this community) boot fitter. He's not located by me so I haven't been able to go back. Additionally my foot has never had a sensation of fore/after movement and I'm basically always touching the front of the boot when I ski. Albeit gently. I've skied the boots probably 15 days so far over 2 seasons.  I suppose they could be too big, but just doesn't seem very likely based on the information I've provided.  Also, why would the size being 1/2 size too big prevent me from being able to get onto the front of the boot with more power/feel more balanced in the boot (on a ski)?


post #11 of 11

bingo…………ankle ROM is in the hyper mobile range.   think loose joy stick that does not have a home base



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