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post #31 of 49
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Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post

NASCAR will never die, last I heard it's more popular than the nfl here in America.

That's probably wrong. There's whole sections of the country that care not for Nascar. The Nfl is hugely popular in those areas. Ie, New York/Boston. Those sections tend to have a lot of people in them too.

The Nfl commissioner was paid $44 million in 2012.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/sports/football/goodell-nfl-commissioner-earned-44-2-million-in-2012.html?_r=1

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-roger-goodell-salary-nfl-revenue-2014-9

 

From 2013, this Harris Poll asks favorite sport:

 

http://www.nysportsjournalism.com/fan-poll-nfl-still-tops-mlb-11/2013/1/17/harris-poll-sorry-mlb-nba-nhl-nascar-nfl-is-still-king-among.html

post #32 of 49

It's dying because it's not sick, extreme or dope. The kidz wanna play in the stunt ditch and do flippy spinny things in the park. Carving a turn is becoming a lost art, especially with floppy turned up tip water skis.

post #33 of 49

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

post #34 of 49
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Ohh that's different. biggrin.gif

. Ya, my bad, wrong organization. What the hell is NASTAR?
post #35 of 49
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Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post

. Ya, my bad, wrong organization. What the hell is NASTAR?


You do know you are posting on EPIC SKi; a skiing forum? biggrin.gif
post #36 of 49
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Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post


. Ya, my bad, wrong organization. What the hell is NASTAR?

 

post #37 of 49
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Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Ohh that's different. biggrin.gif

. Ya, my bad, wrong organization. What the hell is NASTAR?

The fact that you even ask proves they are in trouble.
post #38 of 49

With ski racing not being on everyones wish list anymore :), Nastar will need to make major changes if it ever hopes to be somewhat relevant. It's supposed to be about skiing and that's what they need to change.  The courses and they way they are timed stink. Lengthen and slightly steepen the courses and toss the handicap system entirely.  Be big boys and only give medals to those who earned them...so what if it is at the end of the race. It's real.

 

I say set a proper SL course alongside a proper GS instead of or in addition to the side by side (which I enjoy racing friends on...THAT is fun).  

 

If they did that more race skis would sell and more folks would learn to turn. The entire industry is killing itself off by not teaching people to ski well.  

post #39 of 49
Thi
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Originally Posted by Snowfan View Post

With ski racing not being on everyones wish list anymore smile.gif, Nastar will need to make major changes if it ever hopes to be somewhat relevant. It's supposed to be about skiing and that's what they need to change.  The courses and they way they are timed stink. Lengthen and slightly steepen the courses and toss the handicap system entirely.  Be big boys and only give medals to those who earned them...so what if it is at the end of the race. It's real.

I say set a proper SL course alongside a proper GS instead of or in addition to the side by side (which I enjoy racing friends on...THAT is fun).  

If they did that more race skis would sell and more folks would learn to turn. The entire industry is killing itself off by not teaching people to ski well.  

Things change, trends come and go and what the kids are concerned with or think defines good skiing might be completely different than our ideas. Shit........that's life. I think NASTAR will be gone in 20 years. Who cares? I might be gone to
post #40 of 49
I think it is dying. I personally don't know a single skier who participates.
post #41 of 49
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It's dying because it's not sick, extreme or dope. The kidz wanna play in the stunt ditch and do flippy spinny things in the park. Carving a turn is becoming a lost art, especially with floppy turned up tip water skis.
There's plenty of kids in ski racing programs. It is true though that there are now many more options for other programs.

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Originally Posted by Snowfan View Post

With ski racing not being on everyones wish list anymore smile.gif, Nastar will need to make major changes if it ever hopes to be somewhat relevant. It's supposed to be about skiing and that's what they need to change.  The courses and they way they are timed stink. Lengthen and slightly steepen the courses and toss the handicap system entirely.  Be big boys and only give medals to those who earned them...so what if it is at the end of the race. It's real.

I say set a proper SL course alongside a proper GS instead of or in addition to the side by side (which I enjoy racing friends on...THAT is fun).  

If they did that more race skis would sell and more folks would learn to turn. The entire industry is killing itself off by not teaching people to ski well.  
Actually, the handicap and comparison system is one of it's strengths. Where else can you have comparisons widely separated.

I agree with the courses point though. It's a bit like crappy amusement park go carts. There's almost nonpoint to them unless your under 10. No passing from lack of power, no strategy or skill involved. The cart courses that use halfway decent carts and tracks that are interesting are vastly different. Despite not being real competition carting, you get the sense of what's involved qnd there's skill and technique. You can even feel the difference in cold versus warm tires.
post #42 of 49

Lots of kids racing USSA and FIS, NASTAR is on life support.

post #43 of 49
Our local USSA race club is suddenly growing by leaps and bounds. But no local NASTAR.
post #44 of 49

I think the point is to use USSA to re-brand. I'm sure changes will be made. Without some 'new', with a couple of regional exceptions, Nastar is in a death spiral. I'd guess that USSA sees it as a way to more directly reconnect the public who have no ambitions to race up the food chain back the experience and challenge of running gates and maybe a chance to connect the 10 day a year ski family to the team a bit. No harm in trying IMHO... 

post #45 of 49
It seems like a good feeder opportunity to me. We had a tough time getting started in racing, really just fell into it by accident and didn't know what it was all about. A slower ramp up for the unsure crowd might work.

Here I think I heard the Tommy Moe program is being folded into the race program. They used to be different organizations. I hope it'll work both ways, allowing kids to be pushed backwards into Tommy Moe until they actually can ski instead of being a place for former racers to park their snowplowing kids while they ski. They need to tighten up on the admissions requirements now that it's so popular. A "casual" race alternative might help.
post #46 of 49

The immediate change--having the US Ski Team logo back on the Nastar medals. That will be a draw.

 

I wish they would push the Master's program also.

 

I ran gates for the first time in 30 years and look forward to doing it more. Unfortunately, Nastar is only at Winter Park. EpicMix racing is too expensive.

 

Racing gives you something to do when the skiing is subpar. It's a good way to work on carving skills especially at the start of the season. It's a fun family activity. Getting the kids to race against each other and then the adults against the kids--it's fun. And kids love medals! My niece loved being able to go fast instead of having "slow" signs all around.

 

My parents didn't get my sister into racing and freestyle to climb the ranks. They felt that busy kids don't get in trouble and it worked.

 

At places like Winter Park, the race team does use the course at times. Yes, it's too short, but the young kids were rocking it and they have to start somewhere.

 

I've been reading skiracing.com and following Tiger Shaw's talks this year. We've concentrated on the top and now we need to build the base.

 

In my view, they are looking for any way to grab youth into the sport since they have so many different opportunities open to them with parks, freestyle, and snowboarding. It's a shame that gates can't be set up for free. They can't say it's a liability issue considering the size of some of the jumps and half pipes out there.  
 

USSA wants to generate income. They need more participation at the lower levels to support the higher levels. And they're looking at two routes: One that goes from USSA to FIS point chasing to the US Ski team. And another that encourages participation from USSA to college where a handful might get US Ski Team starts if their performance warrants it.

 

If Nastar feeds people into either route and gets people interested in watching races on TV, then it will help the program. I'm sure the local ski club will look at the top young racers. If you get your pin/medal attached to a flyer about trying the ski club, then you might get a future racer on the mountain.

post #47 of 49
sounds like Nastar will be cheaper for mountains to participate.
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One has to be buoyed by the recent USSA announcements regarding the reduction of membership fees and the licensing to operate NASTAR. Standing alone, either would be an enhancement. Taken together they should become a game changer for USSA.
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Shaw has made it clear that USSA will manage NASTAR conservatively at first. He will not be making major changes.

http://www.skiracing.com/stories/black-diamond-nastar-as-a-potential-ussa-game-changer/
post #48 of 49

A Nastar racer can get a USSA membership for just $15 and now USSA has their name and can start marketing to them.

post #49 of 49

You don't have to worry about qualifying for the Nastar National Championships. Essentially, the qualifying system is just for looks. Anyone who wants to participate can do so, if they have the money. Just contact the National Headquarters and they'll set it up for you.

 

I've been thinking Nastar was in trouble for the past five years or so. Lots of reasons, but it appears to me they are trying to be too many things simultaneously, for example, a highly competitive racing organization to their very top racers and a fun recreational organization to the occasional weekend enthusiast. Hard to be both, and odd not to lean toward the rec guys when they make up most of your membership. My two cents, anyway.

 

I've raced Nastar since '76, on and off, and haven't skied at all for a couple years. I'll be in Frisco, CO, for a couple days around Christmas and expect to race Nastar at Copper, if it is really back on the schedule, or maybe one of the Epic races at Keystone, which would be a first for me. Curious about how Epic compares to the Nastar, which I enjoyed tremendously when it was more reliable and consistent.

 

Happy racing everyone!

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