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post #1 of 10
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I'm beginning to think about new skis and need a bit of assistance from those of you who have demo'd /reviewed a lot.  I am currently on older (2010) Dynastar CrossTi's and am looking for something a bit more damp, I think.  I've recently been plagued with knee issues, and I'm finding that I'm a bit nervous on the skis b/c they seem a bit too "poppy" or light in groomed re-froze.  When I get to speed, I feel like they might suddenly deflect if I hit some rough spots and tear up my tender knees.  So I'm thinking maybe damper, perhaps a longer radius.  Maybe it's only me and my skiing... but maybe I could ameliorate this w/equipment?

 

Anyway, I ski east.  My style is fast GS on lower-angle, but then (perhaps b/c of said knees and my age) when it gets steep, I start to shorten up the turns and pick my way more carefully. Current skis are fine here.  But often deal with push-piles, or groomer ruts, or hardened reefs.  I want something that will plow through these if I hit them like a big, heavy Mercedes through a dirt road.  The problem is that I equate damp with "lifeless" and I also like some life, or strength, in a ski.  It feels like I want a ski that has opposite personalities: strong and solid at speed, but quick and responsive in short turns.

 

Any of you have ideas?  I know enough to know the standard suggestions for a fairly narrow carver (Dynastars, Head Titan or Rally, etc) but I don't know which is more strong and damp vs light and poppy.  I'm looking for a narrow east coast ski (<78), good at turning out careful short-swing turns, but also damp and "heavy" when I want to open it up.  FWIW, I'm 5'8", 175, pretty realistically level 7+/- 8 (I can ski anything almost anywhere, but with more grace on some stuff than on others).  Ideas?

post #2 of 10

You are on the right track. Both the Head Rally and the new Course Pro are more damp than the prior Course Ti. The new CP is somewhat more damp than the Heads and is also a bit more technical than the prior Dynastars and the Rally. The CP has a more squared off tail and a long contact point at the tip so when on edge the CP offers a longer contact length. The CP does require a bit more "game" from the skier. It will crossunder with more power and will also require a bit more deliberate release. This is a tad closer to a race ski than it was before but not a beast of a ski, just a little "more" than what you have.

 

Personally, I think the Titan tries too hard to be both a techy carver and an all mountain ski in the same package and all at the same time. As a result I don't think it's as good at either task as some other skis.

 

SJ 

post #3 of 10
I like the versatility of the Titan... A pretty perfect PSIA (western) exam ski IMHO, but for a pure piste ripping cheater GS radius beast, the Nordica Firearrow 84 EDT... In spades. Damp, powerful, no speed limit, great edge hold. Almost in a class of its own.
Edited by markojp - 1/25/14 at 10:39pm
post #4 of 10

The Speed Course Pro is a serious ski, much more so than the old CP IMO.  It has insane edge hold and stability but you definitely have to be on your game to ski it, and it's not the most versatile ski either (the old CP was more versatile with the rounded tail and a bit softer flex).  The SC Pro makes a lot of sense as a masters race ski.  As for the Heads, I have not been on the new Titan, but have skied the Rally and REALLY enjoyed it.  It's super versatile, very comfortable at low speeds, has a great flex for bumps, and can still rip like the Supershapes have always been able to.  It does has a speed limit, but it's fairly high if you ski them in the right length.  I also skied the FA84's and was not as impressed by these as many others on this site.  The grip was very good (as advertised), but IMO they need a lot of room to really get the most out of them and were not the quickest skis either.  For you I think the Rally or even a Speed Course TI (generation before the SC Pro) makes a lot of sense.

post #5 of 10
Above mentioned skis ARE damp, but may a bit too much...

I think you might like some of the Atomic D2 GS cheaters. Because of the double deck they are damp and heavy. I have 2011 FIS D2 SL and is damper and more forgiving, than mY Dynastar SL .

Just saying.
post #6 of 10
What length are your current skis, tch?
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hi All,

Thanks so far!  I appreciate it.

Just a note: my current skis are Cross Ti, not Comp Ti.  Length = 172.  Bought them that size when some recommended 165 for eastern, cuz I knew I also wanted to run some longer, more open turns/terrain.  I'm thinking maybe Head Rally.  But other thoughts?  Any Blizzards?  Rossi's? Vokl?  Four years ago, I rented the Volkl TIgershark 10 and liked it. In wider skis, I skied and liked both Rossi E88 and Blizzard Bonafide.  I am given to understand that Nordicas and Salomons are lighter and poppier...yes?  And again, remember I'm skiing mostly east with these; when I go west, I rent wider, more all-mountain skis.

 

And... FWIW, skis I have owned before w/i five years.

Dynastar 4x4: (sold to get CrossTi's b/c I found the 4x4 just too "planky")

Fischer RX8: loved these but topsheet disintegrated.

 

THANK YOU!

post #8 of 10

I think the Atomic D2 VF 75 may be a good match to what you are looking for.

post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by tch View Post
 

I'm beginning to think about new skis and need a bit of assistance from those of you who have demo'd /reviewed a lot.  I am currently on older (2010) Dynastar CrossTi's and am looking for something a bit more damp, I think.  I've recently been plagued with knee issues, and I'm finding that I'm a bit nervous on the skis b/c they seem a bit too "poppy" or light in groomed re-froze.  When I get to speed, I feel like they might suddenly deflect if I hit some rough spots and tear up my tender knees.  So I'm thinking maybe damper, perhaps a longer radius.  Maybe it's only me and my skiing... but maybe I could ameliorate this w/equipment?

 

Anyway, I ski east.  My style is fast GS on lower-angle, but then (perhaps b/c of said knees and my age) when it gets steep, I start to shorten up the turns and pick my way more carefully. Current skis are fine here.  But often deal with push-piles, or groomer ruts, or hardened reefs.  I want something that will plow through these if I hit them like a big, heavy Mercedes through a dirt road.  The problem is that I equate damp with "lifeless" and I also like some life, or strength, in a ski.  It feels like I want a ski that has opposite personalities: strong and solid at speed, but quick and responsive in short turns.

 

Any of you have ideas?  I know enough to know the standard suggestions for a fairly narrow carver (Dynastars, Head Titan or Rally, etc) but I don't know which is more strong and damp vs light and poppy.  I'm looking for a narrow east coast ski (<78), good at turning out careful short-swing turns, but also damp and "heavy" when I want to open it up.  FWIW, I'm 5'8", 175, pretty realistically level 7+/- 8 (I can ski anything almost anywhere, but with more grace on some stuff than on others).  Ideas?

 I do have the same problem with my knees and have found out that I need a ski with more weight for dampness but also at longer lenght for stability. At 208 pounds, I'm usually between 2 lenghts and will now prefer the 183 over the 177 for example... Also, skis with system bindings are better for my knees too...

 

The skis I like and correspond to your criteria are:

 

You need a detuned GS ski like the Speed course Ti in 183 with radius of 17 m:  you can still find some on the net or the new one:

http://www.dynastar.com/CG/CA/speed-course-pro-r20-racing_DACC203_product_dynastar-skis-men-race.html

 

also go see post 95 here: http://www.epicski.com/t/124945/preview-teasers-of-the-preview-of-2015-gear/90#post_1680225

 

Kastle rx12 also nice...

 

Blizzard G-Power fs

 

 

 

or even the Brahma if you want more versatile......


Edited by mogsie - 1/28/14 at 7:12am
post #10 of 10

Good discussion.  I've got knee problems up the yin-yang.  I also had a pair of 4x4's.  To overcome the 'planky' feel I had to ride them with force and at speeds and edge angles which my knees did not appreciate.  

 

I've found that my knees like damp skis, and longer more stable skis.  The more I can stay centered and balanced, with the ski smoothing out the rough terrain, the happier my knees are.  It can make the difference between 1 painful hour on the hill or a full day without pain.

 

I've been using the XT800 (80mm underfoot) which seems competent everywhere but fairly non-descript underfoot.  Not much 'wow factor' (whatever that means) but it easy to initiate and is happy with a variety of turn shapes and speeds.  On hard artificial snow I could use a bit narrower waist but I hesitate to switch skis for fear of getting a ski that is too aggressive of a carver and aggravating my knees.

 

Good luck with your search!

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