Originally Posted by chad
Skiing based on feel is a goose chase until you have confirmation from a coach or video.
A goose chase for what? Skiing that is directed by a sense self awareness doesn't relegate a person to doing what is only "easy", they can also challenge themselves, skiing with guided by a sense of control, which takes "feeling" is more than just doing what you like. I was under the impression the thread was about a person who didn't have access to either of the above and things they could do. Interesting that a whole group teaching people to feel themselves in movement also treat the premise as a "goose chase", talk about cool aid drinking.
Originally Posted by skiatansky
Highly unlikely that they will stumble upon the correct movements that result in efficient skiing.
You do realize that each person has a different efficient right? I can only assume your doing extensive medical history discussions before teaching them as "correct" movement may be impossible for some people.
Chad, I'm going with a yes/no on this.
I think you are saying two things.
I agree with you that skiers teaching themselves to ski better can challenge themselves, and that when they do that they don't always seek to do what is "easy" or what they like.
But seeking to ski better by seeking more control, as you say above, does often end up with counter-productive results. What seems likely to work, doesn't.
That's why so many people out there are pushing harder and edging harder on their skis, putting their focus on that outside ski, hoping for more grip.
But the better way to get the grip they seek is counter-intuitive, because skiing is different from walking and running.
They are not likely to stumble upon the movements that will produce that desired sense of control, as skiatansky has said, unless someone in the know points them in the right direction.
Even very experienced skiers need coaches. For them, proprioception is the limiting factor.
If they know technically what they want to be doing but can't feel it happening, even they need a coach's eye (or better yet a coach with a camera ).
That's why World Cup skiers have coaches.
Second, you are very aware of how bodies differ from each other. I trust your deep knowledge on this one.
But this does not mean ski instruction should not be promoting the same movement patterns for everyone.
Our normal range of physical differences is not that significant (excluding injury and congenital issues).
Everyone does not have a "different efficient" to the extent I think you are implying here, but perhaps I am reading you wrong.
Playful line choice and tactical creativity offer lots of room for individual differences. Equipment variations also increase the range of effective movement patterns available.
But there are still fundamental things that people need to do which simply don't come naturally.