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Redster Marcel Hirscher SL ski

post #1 of 13
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Was just wondering about this ski, did anyone try it, what can you tell me about it? The reason im asking is because I plan to buy new skis perhaps next season or the season after that and this ski is one of the most beautiful ones out there.

The thing is, it is Marcel Hirscher's personal ski, alltho its the shop version which for sure is not as "pro" as his own, but im still a bit confused.

 

http://www.atomic.com/en-US/Products/Alpine/Ski/Race/Redster_Marcel_Hirscher_SL/AA0024760.aspx

 

For example here it says : This model is designed for skiers who, like Marcel, refuse to accept anything less than the ultimate performance from themselves and their ski

Which looks quite alot like a ski for good skiers or experts.


Then again when I look at the bottom where it says skiing expertise it has quite a wide range from intermediate all the way to expert, so its making me a bit confused now.

 

Is the ski really compatible with someone who is starting to get fairly decent at skiing or is it more of a high end ski for good skiers?
I started skiing last season and my current skis are clasified as skis for intermediate skiers.


Edited by iLoveSkiing - 1/22/14 at 5:55am
post #2 of 13

Interesting design. Short and narrow with a tight turning radius. But I do not understand the concept of a "Piste rocker for on-piste skiers." I associate rocker designs with off-piste or for all-mountain use. At these lengths, radii and 70mm waist, this ski is as far from that as you can get. Certainly, this ski does not have to ski shorter than it is with a length range of 150-171cm.

I would regard this as a very specialized ski for very limited conditions. If you are only on groomers and do not ski in any 3D snow, you probably would have fun on these. But if you hope to progress to more varied conditions, you would be better served by as ski that is wider and suited to a greater variety of snow surfaces and terrain.

With all respect, selecting a ski because it is "one of the most beautiful ones out there" will bring howls of disapproval from the kind souls on this site. While we are all attracted to a pretty face when shopping for anything,  when you ski, the only time you will really care what they look like is when you are trying to find them on the rack.

But others who understand such things can address this issue with more authority.

Good luck with your purchase.

D1


Edited by deliberate1 - 1/22/14 at 5:58am
post #3 of 13

That is a race ski rated for advanced to expert skiers because they'd expect you to ski it in a race program of some kind. 

 

I know several people who ski SL skis for their daily driver with no problem.  Its  a ski that will inspire you to make good turns. 

post #4 of 13

Where do you ski, what sort of trails, what do you want your ski to do for you, and you with it?  I would ask yourself these questions WAY before you turn to graphics!  This looks like a pretty specialized ski, and if you break through their ad-speak, it is a pretty traditional cambered ski, rather stiff, but in short lengths only.  My guess is there are many skis out there that would allow your skiing to improve, and be appropriate for a wider range of snow-types, than this one.  But hey, if it looks good….

post #5 of 13
It is the Redster Edge SL with graphics that Marcel uses on his personal race skis. The ski is a recreational frontside carver, think along the lines of a Head Magnum. As far as "rocker" on these skis, we are seeing levels of rocker across the board now including skis like this and even full bore race skis. While the rocker is minimal, 2-3cm it is there. It helps with some of the nervousness is the transition across the hill.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

It is the Redster Edge SL with graphics that Marcel uses on his personal race skis. The ski is a recreational frontside carver, think along the lines of a Head Magnum. As far as "rocker" on these skis, we are seeing levels of rocker across the board now including skis like this and even full bore race skis. While the rocker is minimal, 2-3cm it is there. It helps with some of the nervousness is the transition across the hill.

 

I agree with Phil's thinking of a more recreational front side carver. Interesting feature is a 70mm waist and a 13.4 turning radius makes it more of a Sl type turner and similar to the  Head Magnum @ 13tr in 170 with 72mm waist.. Elan is another ski company that markets a non-conventional tip design, my demo experience with that ski was unremarkable with respect to how much it did to enhance performance.  My guess is the Atomic is leveraging Hirscher's name, but, still as an eastern short turn skier, I'd like to give it a go. The only caveat to liking the ski may be Sl's require constant turning, which is not for everyone in these days of more longer radius turns. 

 

And these skis would be a great match for my Atomic Redster boots!;) 

 

Edit: to correct earlier incorrect TR for the Head SS Magnum


Edited by Living Proof - 1/22/14 at 11:00am
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

Eric thats good advice, I do ask miself that, I mean I just started skiing last year but I already have a clear idea of what I enjoy. I prefer curves and turns to straight skiing ( kind of like downhill if you will ), so I prefer more slalom type of skiing, I also prefer groomed pistes to rough ones etc.. so in terms of what I need and want in a ski I would say this ski is pretty good, im just  concerned its a bit too much for my skill level.

alltho as I suspected its a recreational type of ski, but still.. im unsure if I will be ready to take such a ski next season, so I wanted to open a thread here to see what other people thought about the ski and its stiffeness etc..

post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by iLoveSkiing View Post

Eric thats good advice, I do ask miself that, I mean I just started skiing last year but I already have a clear idea of what I enjoy. I prefer curves and turns to straight skiing ( kind of like downhill if you will ), so I prefer more slalom type of skiing, I also prefer groomed pistes to rough ones etc.. so in terms of what I need and want in a ski I would say this ski is pretty good, im just  concerned its a bit too much for my skill level.
alltho as I suspected its a recreational type of ski, but still.. im unsure if I will be ready to take such a ski next season, so I wanted to open a thread here to see what other people thought about the ski and its stiffeness etc..

The next time you go out, just spend half the day going "turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand"... If you like it, you'll love a short radius ski.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by sofort99 View Post


The next time you go out, just spend half the day going "turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand turn one thousand"... If you like it, you'll love a short radius ski.

 

My current ski is a short radius slalom ski aswell, im more worried about the stiffness and compatibility based on skill level.

post #10 of 13
I demoed the double decker redster sl once, thought the 11 meter sidecut is too small even for putzing around the local hill. The 13 meter 171 would be nice to play with though, if I had extra cash I'd get one.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

I demoed the double decker redster sl once, thought the 11 meter sidecut is too small even for putzing around the local hill. The 13 meter 171 would be nice to play with though, if I had extra cash I'd get one.

 

As a point of clarification, may I suggest that you were not, in fact,  "putzing around" on the hill - at least not while on skis.

 

From Wikiedia:

 

Putz may refer to:

Christmas putz, decorative miniature village elaborated from a nativity scene

Puck (mythology), called Putz in German

Putz, a Yiddish vulgarism for penis

 

On the other hand, you were perhaps "futzing" at that time.

 

From Whatis.com:

 

Futzing or "futzing around" is unstructured, playful, often experimental interaction between a human being and a computer, product, or any technology, sometimes but not always with a productive purpose in mind. Futzing can be pure play, learning by trying, or an attempt to achieve breakthrough insights.

 

As to the broader point, I agree that it can be unsatisfying to create a nativity village or procreate while on a short radius ski.

There are better tools in the quiver for that job.

 

D1

post #12 of 13
Putzing around seems to be an universally used and accepted term for what I meant if you look, in fact people even written articles on putzing and futzing. th_dunno-1[1].gif
post #13 of 13

As far as atomic SL skis goes, this isnt the most demanding.

 

It goes: Edge LT > ST > Edge SL > D2 SL > FIS SL

 

If you check the website, there is no difference between the Edge SL specs (or construction) and the Hirscher SL specs. For me, it looks like its just fancy graphics

 

I've only skied in the D2 SL, which is turny and can be hooky, so the slight rocker does reduce a bit the angryness of the ski a bit

 

I would say this ski is as good any, but I dont see the reason to fork the extra money for the graphics. Probably a D2 SL would be cheaper?

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