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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

This thread is an attempt to salvage the broken, beaten & soon to be locked thread: 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/124934/video-challenge-two-short-turns-blended-and-korean-style/150#post_1675954

 

Participation is strictly voluntary and anyone can request a task or post a video.  Let's try to keep it positive & the videos task oriented.  The other thread started with "Short, carved retraction turns, so let's start with that.

 

I will encourage those who posted video in the other thread to move it over here & we will go from there.

 

Here is mine from that thread:

 

& a few zipperline's with the same type of body movements, from a few years ago:

 

 

I will Red Flag anyone who begins to drift or hijack!!!

 

Thanks,

JF


Edited by 4ster - 1/21/14 at 12:32pm
post #2 of 29
I have a q. Do you consider all 3 videoclips to be "same types of turns"?
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

I have a q. Do you consider all 3 videoclips to be "same types of turns"?

TDK, Thanks for participating. 

 

First, I only posted 2 clips here & no, they are not the same types of turns (Thanks,I will change the wording), but similar movements (edge change on a flexion).  The first clip the turns are of the carving type & the zipper turns have a pivot entry.  The motivation for posting both was to show an instance where the drill/task fits in with real world skiing.

 

Does that help answer you question?

 

EDIT:  I edited my first post

 

Thanks,

JF


Edited by 4ster - 1/21/14 at 12:35pm
post #4 of 29
Yeah thanks for the clarification. I counted 3 videos since there were 2 clips in the first video. IMO carving on gromed is also "real world skiing" but you are right, they have more in common with each other than one might think. I like the way you look as home in bumps as you do on a groomer carving. Impressive.
post #5 of 29
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 I counted 3 videos since there were 2 clips in the first video.

Okay, I thought you may have been referring to the clip I posted in the earlier thread.

post #6 of 29

JF,

 

In the bumps, do you feel the pressure first then absorb or see a bump and time your absorption flex based on the visual input? Very nice skiing.

 

I have read and feel I have a good understanding about absorption/extension in bumps, but I can't do it in practice, probably due to screwed up timing.

 

Thanks,

Chuck

post #7 of 29
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JF,

 

In the bumps, do you feel the pressure first then absorb or see a bump and time your absorption flex based on the visual input? Very nice skiing.

 

I have read and feel I have a good understanding about absorption/extension in bumps, but I can't do it in practice, probably due to screwed up timing.

 

Thanks,

Chuck

Good question.

 

At lower speed the former, begin to absorb as the ski tips contact the undulation.  When speed increases, you need to stay ahead of the game & actively retract or suck the legs up.  When timed correctly you are almost the lightest at the crest of the bump.

post #8 of 29

4ster - I don't like your first clip. You ski better than that. Looks very much like a drill.,

 

Here's some vid of me from last week. I spent the morning skiing steeps one grade softer than diamond, then ran into Josh and shot some shorts on these flatter mushy trails, so it felt a little wierd. My focus on the diamond hard steeps was on opening and closing the ankles and you can definitely see that here, but I wish I was a little more closed elsewhere.

 

post #9 of 29
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4ster - I don't like your first clip. You ski better than that. Looks very much like a drill.,

You are right, it is a bit contrived & was performed kind of as a drill to emulate the flex to release movements from the Korean competition video.  If I don't look to closely my rowing arm movements, I like the way my legs & skis are working on the snow & I think it achieves what I was going for.  I agree that I can do better, but as you know shooting video is time consuming & a bit intimidating.

 

I can only see the first set of turns on your video before it stalls out & yes the snow looks pretty mushy.  I like the symmetry of your turns & the consistency even as the hill gets steeper.  The only thing that throws it off is when your left arm, hip & shoulder drop on your right footed turns.

 

I liked your White Pass turns in another thread.  We also did some on the same day:

post #10 of 29

4ster - I cant remember if a double pole plant is default for you when you carve but that rowing movement in the first video is a trace of that. However, from behind it looks like you are also creating some momentum to take you through your float at transition. Could be an illusion. Also, your skis doesn't seem to give you a snappy enough response. Or then you are not working hard enough. All things considered I think your retraction turns were performed well. Next time out use your SL skis and try to turn much quicker keeping the up and down movement isolated in the legs with your torso moving as straight down the fall line as possible. Josh nailed that part in his video very well. In my video in that other thread I was also not quick enough edge to edge but that's because I had a slightly different agenda testing alignments.

 

Here is a video of me having a go at short carved retraction turns way back before the Korea war :D.

 

 

Typical for the Koreans I think is that when they perform short turns they have a very leveled shoulder line but when they go for wider turns they incline. And they keep their arms out and head tucked low.

post #11 of 29
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The only thing that throws it off is when your left arm, hip & shoulder drop on your right footed turns.

 

 

 

I was surprised how strong that is. I guess I need to get back to the Rolfer. I took a big fall and smashed my hip in the race course last March. Still hurting, but I didn't think it was affecting my skiing.


Edited by epic - 1/22/14 at 4:05am
post #12 of 29
"race curse"

Nice one, epic. I like it.
post #13 of 29
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"race curse"

Nice one, epic. I like it.

 

ha, yeah, something like that. Editing now....

post #14 of 29
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ha, yeah, something like that. Editing now....

 

I still cant see your video.....

post #15 of 29
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I was surprised how strong that is. I guess I need to get back to the Rolfer. I took a big fall and smashed my hip in the race course last March. Still hurting, but I didn't think it was affecting my skiing.

 

I know the feeling, tore my rotator cuff 2 years ago & I am still dropping that arm & shoulder.  It is funny how something like that can effect both sides.

post #16 of 29

SO here's the $64,000 question, make the left turns look more like the right, or the right look more like the left. I just got back from skiing the Polar Vortex and I feel that the dropping is something I can stop doing, but there is a nagging persistent pull to that side. I feel like I could be a bit under-edged on the right foot, but with that said, on really hard snow such as we had today, that foot feels good and the other foot feels too edgy. Probably gonna experiment with a bit of duct-tape (and get back to my Rolfer).

 

tdk6 - I don't know what to tell you, it's just Youtube - not sure what I can change to help you see it.

post #17 of 29

epic, now I can see your video but only on my mobile phone holding it upright. Strange.... Anyway, your short turns look great. Not a Korean demo since they are not carved but nice brushed/steered short turns. Yes, you drop that inside half turning left. Could be the accident, compare to old video. I could not detect any alignment issues from that video but I was looking at a very small screen.

post #18 of 29
We were gonna video today, but at -15 F nobody wanted to touch the camera.
post #19 of 29
Epic, thats cold! Maybe this weekend....
post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 

How about some hop turns:

post #21 of 29

I remember in a ski school clinic in 1976 we did a similar short swing hop turn with the objective of actually backing up the hill.  That was a real leg and lung burner.  Remember this was with early plastic/leather boots and 210 cm straight skis.  FWIW Ott Gangle rocked this move, and I was in the Brandywine ski school with him.

 

:Ott

post #22 of 29

Jim those are pretty impressive given how flat the surface was.  I need to practice those!

 

Mike

post #23 of 29

@Cirquerider you worked at Brandywine?  I work at Boston Mills right now!

post #24 of 29
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I remember in a ski school clinic in 1976 we did a similar short swing hop turn with the objective of actually backing up the hill.  That was a real leg and lung burner.  Remember this was with early plastic/leather boots and 210 cm straight skis.  FWIW Ott Gangle rocked this move, and I was in the Brandywine ski school with him.

 

:Ott

Hey Tom, Is that a challenge ;) ?

post #25 of 29

My first job ever!  1967 to 1972, and then I went to Utah State University.  Back then Mickey Dolan owned the ski area.  I was only 16 years old myself, and old Mickey (who was drunk every night) fired me for serving my under-age friend a Black Label beer at the bar.  I was so devastated I went right over to Boston Mills and got a new gig.  You'll just have to cut me some slack, it was the 70s.  One of these days, I'll have to do a thread to rival the Sigi threads that Ott confessed to.

post #26 of 29

@Cirquerider lol that's great.  You don't happen to know Rick Cunningham do ya?

post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
 

I remember in a ski school clinic in 1976 we did a similar short swing hop turn with the objective of actually backing up the hill.  That was a real leg and lung burner.  Remember this was with early plastic/leather boots and 210 cm straight skis.  FWIW Ott Gangle rocked this move, and I was in the Brandywine ski school with him.

 

:Ott

Hey Tom, Is that a challenge ;) ?

 

You're young enough to take it....just don't drop that right hand.

 

 

post #28 of 29
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You're young enough to take it....just don't drop that right hand.

Not as young as you may think & I thought we had a deal about that 2nd photo ;) ?

post #29 of 29

4ster - that second photo is not as bad as you think. Its a real world photo. You can see this kind of photos taken from WC skiers and free riders all the time.

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