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Dalbello Scorpion 130

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At a local ski shop at my actual "home mountain" I have recently had the opportunity to dry-fit the Scorpion 130 (don't know exactly which MY).

Fit is very good, feelings my feet are sending back very, very positive.

I have nearly decided to replace my old Tecnica XT17 with this boot. Plus, it's a sale deal being the last pair in the shop...

I've always felt attracted by this boot since its inception but I must say that, after the initial mass diffusion in the general skiers area, it's somehow disappeared...

I still see it at the feet of young racers, ski instructors (not many anymore) and master racers but, as an example, its tamed down version (the one I'll probably end up with)

is nowhere to be seen at the feet of "everyday skiers" like me.

Another funny thing I've noticed is that no top ranking athlete (Voelkl athletes seem to be all on Fishers) is using it to race in the Worldcup arena.

Why so? Is there any technical aspect of the boot that withhold it from "going big" (both "up" in the racers world and wide in diffusion/sales numbers)?

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Very interested as I got last years Strie 130 ID at an incredible deal. Like half of cost, figuring the Intuition liner alone was almost as much as the whole boot cost me. Gonna half to soften it up though as its stiffer than any other 130 I've owned. Any insight appreciated.
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Should be Strike 130 ID
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In the end I bought it in Feb 2014.

Used the Scorpio about 6 times to my full satisfaction, except for the footbeds, 20+ years on conform'able footbeds have spoiled my feet...after a few hours of use the foot soles felt

So the plan was to replace the footbeds with something from a specialized orthopaedic shop (can't find conform'able anymore and the ones I've used for such a long time are now good for retirement)

For this I decided to complete the 2013-2014 season with my old Tecnica XT17...and I have also started the 2014-2015 season with these as well for no particular reason. Silly me, I've must have become senile...or maybe I'm just lazy.

Bought the new footbeds but have inserted them in the Tecnica...it's time to take the Scorpio out!!!!

post #5 of 15

Let us know what you think after skiing them.

post #6 of 15
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Sure!

So far after six times I can attest about the boot being very very good. I do not have the id liner but the standard one, anyhow boot performances are very satisfactory, the boot shape

envelopes veryt well my feet, buckles are very effective. Flex very progressive in its response

Only drawback comes from the out of the box bootsole...as I was writing, after few hours of skiing my feet soles felt rigid/achy

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Originally Posted by Nobody 
I have nearly decided to replace my old Tecnica XT17 with this boot. Plus, it's
Another funny thing I've noticed is that no top ranking athlete (Voelkl athletes seem to be all on Fishers) is using it to race in the Worldcup arena.
Why so? Is there any technical aspect of the boot that withhold it from "going big" (both "up" in the racers world and wide in diffusion/sales numbers)?
Its not a true racing boot, and probably doesn't ski or fit as well as a plug boot.
Edited by clink83 - 1/28/15 at 2:00pm
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Thought I could add a little to this thread.  I have a reasonably new pair of Scorpion 110.  They have replaced Lange rs 110.  For me, they

are way superior.  They are stiffer but not just stiffer, as Nobody states, the flex is nicely progressive.  The Lange's were maybe too

soft for me, but I felt the flex of the RS was not as even.  Also, the Scorpions in the same size are ever so slightly shorter but

the heal is slightly tighter.  Again that works for me.  I have 12 days on them and from day one, amazingly, they have been just stellar.

 

Finally re. position.  I think the Scorpions have slightly more ramp and/or forward lean.  Again, for me, that is really nice.  I don't like the

more upright position of the new boots so the Scorpion, out of the box, put me in a more natural and balanced position.

 

Oh, yeah,...and they aren't blue or white.

 

Rich

post #9 of 15

I've skied on Dalbello Scorpion 130s for a few years, and I ski with a race-fit sizing wearing only sheer dress socks inside them.  There is no perceptible ambiguity from foot to ski at all.  After a season on them, followed by a mishap by an incompetent boot fitter that left the shells 'overpunched', I had the boot shells form-fitted using a lot of heat and a Fisher Vacuum system machine.  The fit is almost perfect - if the liners weren't already broken in, they would've been ideal, and I am going to have every pair of boots I buy fitted in the same manner for the rest of my life.

 

Though they are billed as a recreational racing boot, I bought the Scorpion 130s as a high-precision mogul boot (that soft-rig theory for bumps is total BS - you want the opposite), and find them to be wonderful for all-mountain ludicrous-speed terrorizing and fast mogul ripping.  The boots are very precise, which is exactly what you need for fast WC-line moguls, but slightly more forgiving than a full-on racing boot, which again is exactly what you need for fast moguls.

 

After missing the better part of last season due to a telemark-induced ACL tear, I coupled them this year with '12 181 K2 Chargers, an alleged carving ski with a semi-rocker tip, which are proving to be some of the best bump/all-around skis I have ever used.

post #10 of 15
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Season is almost ended...and still I've found mnyself picking up the old and trusty XT17 when in doubt...which means 97% of the times...

In February I spent a week long ski vacation and decided for a "side-by-side" comparison of the boots...

E.g for a whole day

Day one, XT17 on the left foot and Scoprion 130 on the right one

Day two, viceversa

Day three, switch again

Day four, switch again

 

XT17 feel (are) softer but I don't know wether that is due to the age (going for their 9th season) or the plastic is indeed softer compared to the Scorpions' one

For sure the external volume is considerably lower (boots look more sleek and less massive) in the XT17, noticeably so

Found out a pressure point on the top of my right foot when in the Scorpion, even with the boot buckles only lightly tightened...makes me wonder how I did not notice it before...

The booster strap (thank you a bunch again, Nolo!!!) I use is almost too small to circle the Scorpion (but fits well on the XT17)

 

Still, despite the age and the generational difference, messems that the XT17 were behaving better on the different snow contidions I skied...or is it true what someone says...

"To change your ski boot is considerably more difficult than to change your partner/spouse"

Never thought so until this year when I had the Scorpions available, ajnd despite my eagerness to use them, the undoublty good quality of the boot and the good performances...I was constantly picking up the XTs...or is it that a plug boot "spoiled" my "taste" for boots?

If so, which other plug boot to consider?

post #11 of 15

I've had my Scorpion 130's for 3 seasons.  Last year I replaced the stock liners with Intuition Dreamliners, and my 12-year old custom footbeds with a pair of off-the shelf Sole Thinsoles.  The boots with this configuration are significantly warmer, more comfortable, and just as responsive.  The downside is they are even more difficult to take off now than before!

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Originally Posted by pushgears View Post
 

I've had my Scorpion 130's for 3 seasons.  Last year I replaced the stock liners with Intuition Dreamliners, and my 12-year old custom footbeds with a pair of off-the shelf Sole Thinsoles.  The boots with this configuration are significantly warmer, more comfortable, and just as responsive.  The downside is they are even more difficult to take off now than before!

Last year I acquired nearly-unused 2013 Dalbello Scorpion SR130's (24.5).  The stock liner was too thick and soft, so my bootfitter found a lace-up race liner from a Rossi Z-series (92 last) that, when combined with my old Conformable foam tongue (transferred over from my last boots) fit surprisingly well. And its race entry makes on/off much easier and less painful, particularly given the  boot's stiffness and its aggressive throat (since modified in the 2014 and later versions).  However, I'd like better heel hold-down, and was considering the Intuitions (but maybe the Pro Tongue instead of the Dreamliner).   When you say your Dreamliners are more difficult to take on/off, are you doing a race entry/exit and, if not, have you tried it?  [For entry, first put on the liner, lace it up, then slip foot+liner into boot; for exit, pull foot+liner out together.]

post #13 of 15

Thanks Chemist!

 

I only tried the race entry -actually a race exit - once in a moment of desperation.  It is a great idea and I definitely will try it again.  Putting the boots on is not too difficult; it is taking them off, especially when they are cold and stiff.

 

As far as the Dreamliners, they are the model that Intuition recommended. I feel so strongly about their superiority in warmth and fit, that I threw the original liners away and have had no regrets.  I can know buckle up once in the morning and stay out 'til the last chair, even on very cold days. 

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
Question, mine have a bsl of 327mm, inliner is marked 9 1/2 (uk size)...can a size 9 liner be put inside the boot? Or are these boots made for 9 1/2 and 10 liners?
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Thread Starter 
Question, mine have a bsl of 327mm, inliner is marked 9 1/2 (uk size)...can a size 9 liner be put inside the boot? Or are these boots made for 9 1/2 and 10 liners?
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