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Nordica SUV 12... '04 vs. '05?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hopefully someone has some insider info on Nords... I demoed the '05 model yesterday and absolutely loved it... the rep claimed there are changes in construction from the '04 to the '05, something about removing some metal? If someone could confirm or deny, that'd be great. (I have sent a note to Peter Keelty, if he gets back to me first I'll post his reply.)

Anyone here on the '04 now?

TIA
post #2 of 15
BTW, are Nordica skis swtill made in the ex-Kastle factory...or depending on model they are outsourced to Italy (like my ZX)?
post #3 of 15
I have the '04 SUV 12x's. They are very stiff, damp and heavy. I really like mine but I can't take them into the moguls on flatlight days because their stiffness punishes you if you don't ski the moguls just right. Removing a layer of metal to make the ski softer, lighter and more lively would make them a more versital ski.

The SUV 12x is either made in Slovakia or Italy (I can't remember) so they definitely aren't being made in the Kastle plant since Kastle was in Austria.
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks Rio... from your description it sounds like the rep was on top of his info. Guess I'll have to wait
post #5 of 15
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Originally posted by Rio:
I have the '04 SUV 12x's. They are very stiff, damp and heavy. I really like mine but I can't take them into the moguls on flatlight days because their stiffness punishes you if you don't ski the moguls just right. Removing a layer of metal to make the ski softer, lighter and more lively would make them a more versital ski.

The SUV 12x is either made in Slovakia or Italy (I can't remember) so they definitely aren't being made in the Kastle plant since Kastle was in Austria.
I believe the 12X is actually made in Slovenia but I will have to check when I get home. I guess it depends on how heavy you are, what length you are skiing, how you ski etc, but personally I would not want my 12X's any softer or lighter. I think they are perfect just the way they are. But to each his own. I am curious......I know that next year they are introducing a higher level ski (14X) and I am wondering if they are making the 12X softer and lighter if the 14X next year is basically going to be the 12X from this year. Oh well....who knows. Only time will tell.
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No Nordicas are made in austria. The Kastle factory was closed some time ago. The SUVs are made at the Elan factory. A few Nordicas are made at the Volkl factory but there is very limited capacity there. I don't know what is made in Italy. This info is from Nordica reps at SIA show.
05 SUV 12: They said the 04 SUV 12 would land between the 05 SUV 14 and 05 SUV 12. All of the metal laminates have been removed from the 12.

I tried the 05 SUV 12 and thought it was horrible! Could have been factors like tune etc. It seemed to lack stability and was deflected in the spring slush I was in. The Volkls and Atomics were working for me in the same conditions. I would have liked to try the SUV 14 but I was running out of time - I bet it would have been like what Rio described.
post #7 of 15
I took my '04 SUV 12s up this weekend. The conditions were settled, windpacked, cut-up spring crud with ice underneath. The SUVs plowed through everything. They definitely didn't get deflected. The groomers that day were empty so I could let the SUVs fly. I went as fast as I feel safe going at Bridger and never felt I was approaching the upper speed limit of the SUVs.

The '04 SUV 12s are an amazingly smooth, stable ski. Their biggest drawback is they are unforgiving in moguls due to their stiffness. Their stiffness also means you have to use good technique to make short turns because you can't force them to turn quickly.

The SUV 12s need to be tuned with a 2 degree side bevel and 1 degree base bevel. If they are not tuned properly they can be a pain.

Also, I have a pair of '02 Nordica slalom skis. They were made in Italy. I have no idea about who still makes skis in Italy.
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info everyone, it certainly seems confirmed there's a difference between model years! (Sounds like the 12X would be a blast to open up and let rip, but probably inappropriate for what I do 80% of the time.)
post #9 of 15
to Rio - NCskier is wright, on my pair of these is "made in Slovenia" (which is definetely not Slovakia ))...I dont think, that they are heavy, I found out they can be nicely manageable, but they are not definitely forgiving, some of my bruises can talk to you :..but I agree than they are very smooth and stable, I can belive them at every turn...By my opinion this is a good ski for anybody like me, enjoy sporty ride, mix up all possible terrains..at my place you have to ski where is some space, you cannot simply choose .Anyway, Rio thanks for your early Gear report about SUV 12, it helps me a lot.
post #10 of 15
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Originally posted by gogo999:
to Rio - NCskier is wright, on my pair of these is "made in Slovenia" (which is definetely not Slovakia ))...I dont think, that they are heavy, I found out they can be nicely manageable, but they are not definitely forgiving, some of my bruises can talk to you :..but I agree than they are very smooth and stable, I can belive them at every turn...By my opinion this is a good ski for anybody like me, enjoy sporty ride, mix up all possible terrains..at my place you have to ski where is some space, you cannot simply choose .Anyway, Rio thanks for your early Gear report about SUV 12, it helps me a lot.
NCSkier actualy responded to my post saying that I thought they were made in Slovenia and said "No Nordicas are made in Austria" Thank you for confirming however they they were in fact made in Slovenia. Although Slovenia and Austria are adjacent they are two separate countries.
post #11 of 15
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at my place you have to ski where is some space, you cannot simply choose
gogo999 -

I won't rub it in about taking my SUV 12s to Big Sky and having 300 foot wide groomers with 1,400 feet of vertical drop all to myself.

My comments on weight is relative to other skis I consider comparable like the Sollie Crossmax 10, Dynastar Skicross 10, etc. Even though they do weigh more they don't ski like they are heavier in most conditions.

Another note of interest is a buddy of mine is dropping the Sollie line of skis at his shop (except for the PRs and 1080s) and replacing them with Nordica. The main reason is the Sollie Pilot skis with bindings run $300 to $400 more than the comparable Nordicas with bindings. Some of the skis he sells from other vendors cost as much without bindings as the Nordicas cost with.
post #12 of 15
Rio
ad weight - probably I am missing right comparative samples... I haven't so many possibilities to ski different types of quite high level skis .. But I expected stiff muscled ski, it means for me some weight.. and I'v got it . At my place (Czech Republic) is Nordica quite expensive brand, and because of I am planning maybe for next seazon to buy anything for ugly afternoons with short bumps at our local hills, something which can cut very tight arcs without heavy work like with 12x ...I am looking about some Dynastar, here much cheaper than Nordi and nice variety of a nice radiuses 12-13m...
post #13 of 15
Ja: I said they were made at Elan, which I assumed everyone knew was in Slovenia.

The SUV 12 I skied, was 2005 model with no metal but with some kind of metal fiber technology, anyway, different than Rio's skis. The SUV 14 is new and supposed to be even more high performance. I would give that model a try as well. I wished I had, but the snow was turning to water under my skis so was time to call it a day.
post #14 of 15
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But I expected stiff muscled ski, it means for me some weight.. and I'v got it .
You definitely did. I usually compare the '04 SUV 12x to the cross skis because it handles more like cross skis than anything else. It really is off in its own category though it sounds like the '05 Volkl Superspeed is similar (they have the exact same dimentions). While the SUV 12x carves like a cross ski its weight and stiffness gives it a much more secure feel at ludicrous speeds.....I know I'm going to get myself in trouble on them some day.

Also, gogo999 - Welcome EpicSki. Glad you found us.
post #15 of 15
Rio
Mentioned secure feel is probably biggest amazement for me, I never skied skis with similar feeling for me. I am not skiing too fast (I am not any kind of racer), but I like push my limits everyday...At some Europeans SKI tests are SUV 12 included at CROSS category. SUV 12 are great skis for me, instead I am becoming unfaithful with my plans for shorter carvers ..Anyway I am skiing SUV 12 at 170 cm which is different to yours 180 cm, specially weight and manageability.
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