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Dismal snow pack out west? In Europe? Is this true?

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Web based data suggests bases are really, really low, that would suggest a ton of terrain at any of the majors is closed or very tricky to ski ? OntheSnow.com data suggests as do WB and Alta websites also, that the snow base is really low this year. If anyone has information please chime in.

http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/the-mountain/weather-and-mountain-stats.aspx

 

http://www.onthesnow.com/tyrol/st-anton-am-arlberg/historical-snowfall.html?&y=0&q=snow

 

http://www.alta.com/pages/snowfallhistory.php

 

By the way, the Arlberg looks as per OntheSnow.com, pretty barren? Any live opinions or knowledgeable ones - please enlighten.

 

It better be a huge snow year soon, Easter is late, how are we going to go skiing with kids for Easter holidays the week before otherwise !?

 

Is Jackson Hole the exception ? And is it better in CO this year, much better, not marginally? Feedback appreciated.

http://www.jacksonhole.com/weather-snow-report.html

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www.bestsnow.net has snowfall to date, more or less, of major resorts.  Some are weak (Utah, Cal), some are above average (central/south Colorado), some are good (Whitefish, Revelstoke, Banff).  So you have to pick and choose I suppose.  I know Europe is weak in spots.  My bro lives an hour from Kitzbuhel..but I never plan a trip there in advance for skiing purposes.  The snowpack in Kitz has been suspect for years.  They've had a few good years in a row but this year is not so great.  They've had to cancel the WC races there in the past..in February..so not a new phenomenon really..

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Whitefish started off going gangbusters, but the last week and the coming week? Nothing but sunshine. Base is holding up, but there is decreasing off piste quality.
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Whitefish started off going gangbusters, but the last week and the coming week? Nothing but sunshine. Base is holding up, but there is decreasing off piste quality.


Exactly the same at Fernie. No snow predicted for at least 2 weeks.

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The worst of it is all the local "fair weather" people are showing up and there were actual lift lines today!! I even saw someone in an embroidered Bognar!! With a season pass! Didn't think it possible.
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Whistler does have less total (so far this season) than the past few years but it's hardly dismal. Currently a temp inversion with no new snow in immediate forecast. Today was sunshine instead of the wind, limited visibility and the almost meter deep powder that fell last week.  

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how is Castle ? Did they get a reasonable base with all the snow your region got earlier ? Hope to be out that way soon but waiting until the snow returns.

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Thanks folks, looks hairy even on open terrain, more snow needed and fast and sustained for Spring to be as good as last 5 years!

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Thread Starter 

Yes, noting here too, Selkirks hurting also, heli-folks not finding as deep on the steeps as years past. I cannot imagine coming off some of WB off the back side of Spanky's is a lot of fun right now for instance.

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yes

post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 

Well, just read Arlberg expect 1/2 a meter, well, beggars can't be choosers when Thor is involved I guess or is Ullr!

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Most of Colorado is skiing very well. Colorado kept getting clipped with all the storms that laid into the Midwest and NE.

 

No powder expected until 1st week of feb, though.

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Most of Colorado is skiing very well. Colorado kept getting clipped with all the storms that laid into the Midwest and NE.

No powder expected until 1st week of feb, though.

We start again tonite in the NW flow favored areas.

Could have done without a two week visit in northern CO from The Ridge, but well established 4-5 foot bases will hopefully serve nicely going into our prime mid-Feb to May season.
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While I can't speak to the rest of the resorts in Utah, Snowbasin has been skiing surprisingly well over the last few weeks.  Only a fraction of normal snowfall so far, but everything is open and seems pretty well covered.  Granted, no big storms lately to refill every few days, but still really good.  Plenty of groomed trails to choose from, and even most places off trail seem to be holding up very well with new wind blown deposits keeping things nice.  OK, maybe not super soft powder, but still fun skiing.

post #16 of 21
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While I can't speak to the rest of the resorts in Utah 

Yes, Alta at 70% of normal snowfall is still better than most places at 100%. 

 

In terms of 

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Dismal snow pack out west?  

The key stat as in early season is percent of terrain open.  When you see all the Sierra resorts under 20% open in late January, that's how you know it's really bad.   When you see areas 50-70% open, that may be perfectly fine for intermediate groomer skiers, but it's still a red flag for experts desiring steeps.

 

Base depth is useful in the context of a specific resort you know well. 

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Killington got 10 inches yesterday. Great day.  But then the cold and wind has been unbelievable...Unfortunately our annual trip out west has been booked and paid for since last summer.  And it is to Tahoe in March.  UGH...Thinking it will end up being a tour of California instead of skiing.  Too much money to change our plans now.  Flight is paid and we are using timeshare.   Had a great trip out there a couple of years ago.  Oh well.  Here's hoping to improving conditions

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And it is to Tahoe in March.  

At least it's not in February, so more time for improvement.  Nonetheless the time to be getting the specifics on bailout options is NOW.   Maybe with over a month's notice the timeshare can be moved somewhere that has snow.  You may pay the airline a change fee, but maybe the ticket price somewhere else 4-6 weeks ahead is reasonable, while it may not be if you try to bail out one or two weeks ahead.

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Supposed to be going to Sugarloaf in late Feb..watching cautiously...planning alternate to Telluride or Revelstoke.  I think Toronto has had more snow than Sugarloaf....

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If you can go to those places instead at will, why would you ever book a trip to the Loaf?
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If you can go to those places instead at will, why would you ever book a trip to the Loaf?

Many reasons...but mostly that Maine hospitality!!
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