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post #181 of 195
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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post


Just curious. The 13/14 Mantra was a ski i waited for at demo day but became impatient and demoed the Salomon Q-98 instead. I have a BMX88 and want to add something better on hardpack/ice. The BMX88 carves a nice turn on hardback when i pressure the tails, however it tends to chatter with toe pressure. Could be the tune, the ski (dual radius sidecut), me or a combination of. Whichever, after two seasons i'm ready for something different. I prefer not to get a all out frontside carver and would like to keep the BMX's smooth thru chopped up snow quality and light swing weight forgivingness in bumps. Not sure if i'll go up in waist, probably down. More thinking about the FX84 and Blizzard Latingo but could just as well forget the whole idea and stick with what i have for another year. 
I'm looking for something like what you are, but I will go narrow for sure,, I'm curious about the praxis snd and have been talking to Keith about it, also crosswd my mind the kendo, brahma and mx88/83, but I'm thinking the praxis will do just what I need it to do... take a look at the SND!

Agree with SJ, don't think going wider is the right answer for you!
post #182 of 195
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Without doubt the full rocker helps in some instances. Realistically, the Mantra has been WAAAYYY too stiff for its market niche for at least two years. My assertion for this is that a ski of this width should flex enough to bend in 3-D snow for most skiers and also be relatively accessible for most skiers in the clumps that will eventually become bumps. The recent Mantras have just not hit this target. The new Mantra helps with this part of the all mountain target. OTH, the feel of the ski in between high angle left to high angle right might not feel that great to some. Basically, I think the new Mantra will have enormous appeal to to those with an affinity for the brand. For others, there will (as always) be various other choices.


SJ
SJ, are you saying that the 2015 Mantra is considerably softer than previous models? I had not skied it previously, but it felt softer and easier to ski than the 2015 Bonafied.
post #183 of 195
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Originally Posted by Lucky View Post


but it felt softer and easier to ski than the 2015 Bonafied.

I think the full rocker plays quite a bit in this, while the bonafide with camber needs to bent the new mantra doesn't require that

post #184 of 195

Thanks SJ and mfa81. 

 

I had actually wanted to demo the Kendo, (possibly to stiff for my weight and requiring always on high energy, idk) only the rep didn't bring them and suggested i try the Mantra.

Conditions had consisted of 4" overnight tossed around the early season groomers

I didn't know anything about the Q-98, but it was available and i wanted to get a general feel for the width class.

Aiso went with hopes to try a Blizzard Brahma (ditto comment for /kendo) too, but no Blizz rep.

Slim pickings then, the only demo day i made it to this year. There were three others i could've easily hit, only two were at local hills i don't care for, and the other took place on a day when conditions were better at my "regular" day tripping hill - where i went even though that place actually had the Blizzard rep with 14/15 models! 

At this point i haven't tried enough skis to take advantage of end of season sales. Skis are so specialized and tweaked now that i'm not comfortable buying without demoing.

 

Anyway, thanks again guys.

post #185 of 195
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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post

At this point i haven't tried enough skis to take advantage of end of season sales. Skis are so specialized and tweaked now that i'm not comfortable buying without demoing.

Always better to demo, but with some of the silly prices around right now it's not a bad idea to get something if you at least have some base for comparison...
post #186 of 195
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Originally Posted by Lucky View Post


SJ, are you saying that the 2015 Mantra is considerably softer than previous models? I had not skied it previously, but it felt softer and easier to ski than the 2015 Bonafied.

 

Considerably?.............no but it is somewhat softer than it was in the past. I don't find that it is either softer than the Bonafide or necessarily easier to ski but it is quite a bit different than the Bonafide. Particularly at lower angles and/or on snow with little to no depth, the Mantra is now a little smearier than the Bonafide is. The flip side to that is that it doesn't feel as stable or engaged. If that smeary feel is a sensation you like or want to adapt to....there ya go. If not......there ya go as well.

 

SJ

post #187 of 195
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I will add the new Mantras flex is much more balanced than the previous generations that were disproportionately stiff in the tail. 

post #188 of 195
I've been skiing the 2015 Mantras (184) since February so maybe 40 days. The rest of my quiver is collecting dust. I like the feel from high angle right to high left, it's distinctive but for me it's precise. It reminds me of the difference between wood and metal bats except that transition I hated while this one I liked. I haven't found a more playful, fun yet still precise and quick ski in so many conditions. I'm by no means brand devoted to Volkl, before this ski my only experience was with the RTM-81-s which are ok but didn't create brand loyalty in fact they left me thinking I wanted camber and not rocker.

The only time I'll reach for another pair of skis is in completely frozen conditions. Mere hardpack I'm still taking the Mantras. I realize reviews thus far have seemed lukewarm. Either my preferences are wacko, which is possible, or this ski will be a big hit.
post #189 of 195
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Originally Posted by Lorenzzo View Post

I've been skiing the 2015 Mantras (184) since February so maybe 40 days. The rest of my quiver is collecting dust. I like the feel from high angle right to high left, it's distinctive but for me it's precise. It reminds me of the difference between wood and metal bats except that transition I hated while this one I liked. I haven't found a more playful, fun yet still precise and quick ski in so many conditions. I'm by no means brand devoted to Volkl, before this ski my only experience was with the RTM-81-s which are ok but didn't create brand loyalty in fact they left me thinking I wanted camber and not rocker.

The only time I'll reach for another pair of skis is in completely frozen conditions. Mere hardpack I'm still taking the Mantras. I realize reviews thus far have seemed lukewarm. Either my preferences are wacko, which is possible, or this ski will be a big hit.

Say I've been out here for a few weeks with the family of Grumps, haven't heard from you... After I so kindly didn't post that photo too....

 

I got me a pair of 2015 Head Super Joy's.  Bought the one's i demo'ed at Snowbird this past week on demo day.  I feel like they're a pretty well rounded ski for this spring muck and the one day I had them on ice they felt pretty good too.  I'm looking forward to having them in more conditions next year.  It's really short radius (15m) for the width (98 I believe) quite a bit of side cut with a traditional camber but early rise rockered tip.  I get a lot of people stopping to check out the see through honey comb graphic on them.  I find them pretty soft in this snow compared to anything I've skied before but it's difficult to say if I'm occasionally over skiing the ski or it's the very soft snow.  For most part I find them feel super light on my feet, fun and peppy.  Worth a try for some of the women out there looking for a fun wider ski.  It seems to be very forgiving, and easy to initiate (I don't typically ski a rocker) and they have three in the new Joy line for ladies coming out this year.

post #190 of 195
Sorry I missed you guys, hadn't realized there was so much bear activity still going on in LCC. Sometime around mid week we may be getting something epic and I'm planning on Snowbird. I probably should put out the call.

Apologies for going off-topic.
post #191 of 195
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Originally Posted by Lorenzzo View Post

I've been skiing the 2015 Mantras (184) since February so maybe 40 days. The rest of my quiver is collecting dust. I like the feel from high angle right to high left, it's distinctive but for me it's precise. It reminds me of the difference between wood and metal bats except that transition I hated while this one I liked. I haven't found a more playful, fun yet still precise and quick ski in so many conditions. I'm by no means brand devoted to Volkl, before this ski my only experience was with the RTM-81-s which are ok but didn't create brand loyalty in fact they left me thinking I wanted camber and not rocker.

The only time I'll reach for another pair of skis is in completely frozen conditions. Mere hardpack I'm still taking the Mantras. I realize reviews thus far have seemed lukewarm. Either my preferences are wacko, which is possible, or this ski will be a big hit.

Lorenzo, although I only skied the Mantras for one day I agree with your assessment of them. Easy to ski and playful for a Volkl.
post #192 of 195
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Originally Posted by Lorenzzo View Post

I've been skiing the 2015 Mantras (184) since February so maybe 40 days. The rest of my quiver is collecting dust. I like the feel from high angle right to high left, it's distinctive but for me it's precise. It reminds me of the difference between wood and metal bats except that transition I hated while this one I liked. I haven't found a more playful, fun yet still precise and quick ski in so many conditions. I'm by no means brand devoted to Volkl, before this ski my only experience was with the RTM-81-s which are ok but didn't create brand loyalty in fact they left me thinking I wanted camber and not rocker.

The only time I'll reach for another pair of skis is in completely frozen conditions. Mere hardpack I'm still taking the Mantras. I realize reviews thus far have seemed lukewarm. Either my preferences are wacko, which is possible, or this ski will be a big hit.

So you are saying that even if they have the same on-piste full rocker, the feeling it left was quite different? In which lenght did you try the rtm 81?

post #193 of 195
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

So you are saying that even if they have the same on-piste full rocker, the feeling it left was quite different? In which lenght did you try the rtm 81?


Yes, very different feel.  My rtm-s are in 181.

post #194 of 195

@Lorenzzo thanks for your perspective on the 2015 Mantras.   Any comment on their bump performance?   And... if I might ask a personal question, are you a bump seeker or bump avoider?  

post #195 of 195
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

@Lorenzzo thanks for your perspective on the 2015 Mantras.   Any comment on their bump performance?   And... if I might ask a personal question, are you a bump seeker or bump avoider?  


I seek them more with the Mantras than with my prior skis which means fairly often.  They feel precise, quick and are kind of light, the tails are still stiff and can punish you if you get back.  I do find myself simply skipping a turn if I miss at times and then back in balance and control for the next turn.  So overall I given them high marks in the bumps.

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