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post #31 of 48
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 But if it's cold and dry and STAYS cold and dry, every 3" adds up, and eventually you have good skiing that stays good.

 

Well, kinda. I've skied hard, scoured slopes in the Rockies after no snow for a couple weeks or more (I did last month in Sun Valley and might next month in Sun Valley, too), and I'm not sure I'd always call that "good skiing". But I get that if your reality is zero snow in January due to rain and warm temps, I might seem a bit fussy.

post #32 of 48

Not even close.  Western Canada and and most of the Northern Rockies and Colorado are above average.  The Southwest had very high early snowfall, now close to average year-to-date with the last month of dry.   Utah is below average but most terrain is open after the dumps of the past 2 weeks.  And those 2 weeks of dumps at least gave the most of the PNW a base.  So any snow from now on there should yield decent skiing.  Only California ski areas are in real distress now. 

 

The East is a different animal due to the snow preservation issue.  It can be epic one week and a disaster the next if it rains.

 

 

post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

Somewhere else in the US must be making up for that snow coverage.  Just trying to figure out where it is.  Colorado has had several sub-par years, California the same, Oregon the same, Idaho the same.  Maybe New Jersey is getting hammered?

Its been a challenging season in the east so far.  Several thaw/rain/freeze cycles already this month and below average snowfall.  Saving grace is the massive snowmaking capacity that the eastern resorts have.  Just finished 2+ weeks at Killington and the skiing was decent in spite of the weather.   

post #34 of 48

All things considered, Northstar is skiing very well. They have done a great job of snow farming but moving the snow all around. While a small percentage of the mountain is open, what is, is actually very good. I can't wait till we get snow...but in the meantime, I am out there making turned on snow that is "good for you". 

post #35 of 48

Thanks for the national insights on snow coverage. Summarizing, clearly Utah is way below recent historical norms, as is Whistler-Blackcomb; And I know some folks who went on a heli trip into the Selkirks and they said coverage was pristine when they arrived, they skied it all in 3-4 days, and no new snow expected for a few weeks, so they headed back to cities of origin. Seems like Jackson Hole, Whitefish, Alberta-BC border, and surprisingly CO which in the recent past was not doing well, are having real nice seasons. Our target dates for travel if we can swing it is mid-March or week before Easter(April 12-19) and it is worrying for sure, there better be some serious snowfall in Feb-Mar and Europe too is suffering mightily, St Anton and Lech bases look pathetic. While terrain may be open but I would think a lot of steep runs, and gnarly ones, while open could be genuinely hairy as not enough cushion via a 10 to 15 foot base is not available, so rocks and other obstacles pose genuine risks. Just wondering, intermediate to mildly advanced skier perspective.

Thanks all.

post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by dustyfog View Post
 

Thanks for the national insights on snow coverage. Summarizing, clearly Utah is way below recent historical norms, as is Whistler-Blackcomb; And I know some folks who went on a heli trip into the Selkirks and they said coverage was pristine when they arrived, they skied it all in 3-4 days, and no new snow expected for a few weeks, so they headed back to cities of origin. Seems like Jackson Hole, Whitefish, Alberta-BC border, and surprisingly CO which in the recent past was not doing well, are having real nice seasons. Our target dates for travel if we can swing it is mid-March or week before Easter(April 12-19) and it is worrying for sure, there better be some serious snowfall in Feb-Mar and Europe too is suffering mightily, St Anton and Lech bases look pathetic. While terrain may be open but I would think a lot of steep runs, and gnarly ones, while open could be genuinely hairy as not enough cushion via a 10 to 15 foot base is not available, so rocks and other obstacles pose genuine risks. Just wondering, intermediate to mildly advanced skier perspective.

Thanks all.

 

and it looks like the Hahnenkahm may get cancelled too!

post #37 of 48

Wow. and I thought I read on this forum the ubiquitious Mr. Miller is going to ski there. What a sh*Te-show from the weather, and Washington DC and VA have more snow falling on them than most places in New England or Western MA or upstate NY too! And I just read JH, WY is bumped up with brush and clumps vegetation poking out, plus as guessed, Spanky's at WB and probably a lot of the usually terrific stuff there is un-skiable or hard to enjoy. 

 

Light on the horizon was reports St Anton getting 1/2 a meter over next 9 days, well, guess 18.15" is better than nothing!

post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by Christy319 View Post

Well, kinda. I've skied hard, scoured slopes in the Rockies after no snow for a couple weeks or more (I did last month in Sun Valley and might next month in Sun Valley, too), and I'm not sure I'd always call that "good skiing". But I get that if your reality is zero snow in January due to rain and warm temps, I might seem a bit fussy.
That's a snow preservation issue--sunny weather with temps in the high 20s at night and 40s during the day. Right the on-piste coverage is as good as it can be during a January slump, with lows in the high teens and highs around the mid 30s. That ten degrees is the difference between decent groomers with a few off piste spots with preserved snow vs. ice and frozen granular ice interspersed with little piles of scraped off crystals. I'm just acting as though this is just a normal January slump and that come mid-February we'll have forgotten all about it. redface.gif
post #39 of 48

I was living in Southern Oregon in the winter of 76-77. My home mountain, Mt Ashland, managed to open in January with a base of less than 2 feet and stay open with little snow the rest of the season. This year Mt. Ashland still hasn't opened and is reporting 0". In its 50 years of operation it has never failed to open by now. This year it looks like it won't open at all.

post #40 of 48
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
 

I was living in Southern Oregon in the winter of 76-77. My home mountain, Mt Ashland, managed to open in January with a base of less than 2 feet and stay open with little snow the rest of the season. This year Mt. Ashland still hasn't opened and is reporting 0". In its 50 years of operation it has never failed to open by now. This year it looks like it won't open at all.


IF Hoodoo doesn't open it will 75 years. Then there's Ski Bowl,Cooper Spur,Willamette Pass did get the doors open last weekend but just on weekends for now.

post #41 of 48
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IF Hoodoo doesn't open it will 75 years. Then there's Ski Bowl,Cooper Spur,Willamette Pass did get the doors open last weekend but just on weekends for now.

The scientific explanation is "Sukey winter".

post #42 of 48
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The scientific explanation is "Sukey winter".

Freezing level here this weekend will be 12,000'. Does that still qualify as winter? It's currently 56 degrees at Paradise on Mt Rainier, high of 58 today.

post #43 of 48

I'm going with Suckey.

 

 

Today: Sunny. Free air freezing level 11000 feet. Pass winds east 10 to 20 mph with gusts to 35 mph.

Tonight: Clear. Free air freezing level 10000 feet. Pass winds southeast 5 to 15 mph. Gusts to 30 mph in the evening.

Saturday: Mostly sunny. Free air freezing level 10000 feet. Pass winds southeast 5 to 10 mph becoming light in the afternoon.

Saturday Night: Mostly clear. Free air freezing level 10000 feet. Light wind.

Sunday: Mostly sunny. Free air freezing level 10000 feet. Light wind.

Sunday Night: Partly cloudy. Free air freezing level 10000 feet.

Monday: Partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of rain. Snow level 6500 feet.

Monday Night: Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain. Snow level 8000 feet.

Tuesday: Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain. Snow level 8000 feet.

Tuesday Night: Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain. Snow level 7500 feet.

Wednesday: Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of rain. Snow level 6500 feet.

Wednesday Night: Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of rain. Snow level 6000 feet.

Thursday: Partly sunny with a 30 percent chance of rain and snow. Snow level 4500 feet.

 

post #44 of 48

Well, ONE great thing about this year in the west is the SEAHAWKS are going to the superbowl! :yahoo:

post #45 of 48

And what would be really awesome is if we finally get some snow that weekend and everyone else stays home to watch the Super Bowl but me and the mr.

post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by Christy319 View Post
 

And what would be really awesome is if we finally get some snow that weekend and everyone else stays home to watch the Super Bowl but me and the mr.


They will prolly have more Snow @ the game in Jersey than you will on the hill. That's almost painful to type.

post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by Christy319 View Post
 

And what would be really awesome is if we finally get some snow that weekend and everyone else stays home to watch the Super Bowl but me and the mr.


The blocking pattern IS supposed to lift that weekend. Aren't you coming to Utah this week to ski with the Divas? I am so very happy that I am not flying home on Sunday now!

 

If they DO get more snow for the game, it'll favor the running game and defense, and we know which team is better at both ;)

post #48 of 48

Just got back from Southern Oregon. Mt. Ashland got a foot while I was there but since the slopes were bare to begin with they are still a foot or two from opening. More precipitation is on the way but the snow level is predicted to be at 7,000 feet which means only the upper half of the mountain will get snow. It is the mountains 50th anniversary and they are worried that if it doesn't open this season the whole operation (which runs as a non-profit) might go under.

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