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post #301 of 326
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

I admit, I didn't do this myself, so I have no idea if it's true or not, but I saw this number circulating around somewhere. On first run, which noone has problems with it, there was 34% of DNF. On second run, there was 37% of DNF. Not that big of a difference I guess.

PS: Once again, I just saw this numbers but I didn't go and check if they are true or not, so take it like that.

 

Interesting.  So it's not that Kostelic's course cause any more DNFs - it's just that the usual amount of DNF's were noticed more, for some reason.

I'm fascinated by how often perception doesn't match reality.

post #302 of 326
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Clueless calculated it.

There were 5 Disqualifieds in Run2. Add those in and it's 33% Run 1, 44% Run 2

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Primoz, I looked at the results on fis-ski.com and these numbers are correct. There were 117 bibs, 2 DNS-1, so 115 started. 38 DNF-1 (33%) leaves 77 starting run 2. So 29 DNF-2s (38%). Also, there were 5 DSQ-2s, which raises the percentage to 44% if you want to include them. Is that a big difference? I don't know. After the women's SG with 57% DNF, I joined the chorus criticizing Winkler, but in general I agree you ski the course as it is set and I think blaming the course setter for your failure to adjust to the set is a chicken hearted reaction.

 

So an 11% increase in non finishes from Kostelic course.

post #303 of 326
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Primoz, you down there?

No, unfortunately no Sochi for me. I somehow realized I will never see Olympics, not before when I was still racing, not now as photographer. It's impossible for some small agency, like our is, to do this and get through at least with zero, even less with profit. And I have no wish to spend some 20.000eur and earn 1000eur, just to say I was there. It would be nice, but business vise it's just no go unfortunately.

 

PS: Tog just one thing with percentages... you have to consider 1 skier in first run was 0.87% of all, 1 skier in second run was 1.30% of all skiers. So there should be some recalculation based on this too. But nevertheless, difference is not all that huge as it looked like on first look.

post #304 of 326
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Originally Posted by Elistan View Post
 

 

Interesting.  So it's not that Kostelic's course cause any more DNFs - it's just that the usual amount of DNF's were noticed more, for some reason.

I'm fascinated by how often perception doesn't match reality.

Well, presumably the weak skiers and the risk takers were DNF'd on the first run, so you can argue that Kostelic's course still managed to kick out a healthy portion of the top guys who survived round 1.  But I am not sure this kind of statistics is very meaningful.  These guys are elite athletes and have to adjust to whatever course is set, as long as it is within the FIS rules.  

post #305 of 326
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

 And I have no wish to spend some 20.000eur and earn 1000eur, just to say I was there. It would be nice, but business vise it's just no go unfortunately.

 

 

I went into the journalist lounges a few times---hot, crowded, and they have to pay for any refreshments.  Their photo spots were pretty cramped as well.  I think you're absolutely right that the small agency/ free lancer has no chance.

 


Edited by newfydog - 2/27/14 at 9:48am
post #306 of 326

That's too bad that they shut out the smaller guys. I imagine a freelancer would thoroughly enjoy covering this sort of thing.

post #307 of 326

Paying for food and drinks is standard thing on big events. World cup is normally fine and things are for free, even if they are not something outstanding, but for World championships it's different already, and pretty much everything is for sale, and not really cheap. In Sochi it was big deal as internet was free of charge, while normally even Internet has to be paid... and not like at home/office, but like amount you pay in year or two at your office back home. But for Olympics you have other, much more expensive things to count. Hotels for press were starting at around 200eur/night, and you couldn't book it for week only for example, but only for 3 weeks or nothing. Then I was talking with friend working for one Austrian newspaper, and they hired car... 30.000eur for car with driver, as you were not allowed to drive yourself there, and no, they weren't allowed to keep car after that :) So it's insanely expensive, and with big agencies like Reuters, AFP, AP and each having 50+ photographers there, private internet links, and huge editor teams to get photos on line in 30sec etc. it's basically impossible to compete. So as I said, I don't think I will ever see Olympics. There's one small chance maybe, which will stay private for now ;), but to be honest, I'm 99% sure it's not going to happen... ever. Oh well it's not going to be end of the World because of this :)

post #308 of 326
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Then I was talking with friend working for one Austrian newspaper, and they hired car... 30.000eur for car with driver, as you were not allowed to drive yourself there, and no, they weren't allowed to keep car after that :)

 

Fleet of new cars, with drivers, on call 24/7 for IOC members.  They look after themselves very well, while media is seen as a source of income.

 

post #309 of 326
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Geez it must cost NBC 1-2 million $ per day for their operation. I think they brought their own doctors too judging by the comments by Costas on his eye.

I preferred Lauer anyway. Costas always pains me when he talks. No flow, everything is a parenthetical with some stat.
post #310 of 326

~~"We have to bring everything we need, as much as we can, and then bring it back to the States." Production costs for NBC reportedly will exceed $100 million, and it's not difficult to understand why, given that Sochi is "a little off the beaten path,"

post #311 of 326
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

Paying for food and drinks is standard thing on big events. World cup is normally fine and things are for free, even if they are not something outstanding, but for World championships it's different already, and pretty much everything is for sale, and not really cheap. In Sochi it was big deal as internet was free of charge, while normally even Internet has to be paid... and not like at home/office, but like amount you pay in year or two at your office back home. But for Olympics you have other, much more expensive things to count. Hotels for press were starting at around 200eur/night, and you couldn't book it for week only for example, but only for 3 weeks or nothing. Then I was talking with friend working for one Austrian newspaper, and they hired car... 30.000eur for car with driver, as you were not allowed to drive yourself there, and no, they weren't allowed to keep car after that :) So it's insanely expensive, and with big agencies like Reuters, AFP, AP and each having 50+ photographers there, private internet links, and huge editor teams to get photos on line in 30sec etc. it's basically impossible to compete. So as I said, I don't think I will ever see Olympics. There's one small chance maybe, which will stay private for now ;), but to be honest, I'm 99% sure it's not going to happen... ever. Oh well it's not going to be end of the World because of this :)

With all the great info you have about skiing I think you should start a post on the internet called "Send Primoz to the Olympics" Let me know where you start it, I dont have a lot of money but I have 10.00 US to start the fund!

We appreciate all your inside information and thank you for your posts.

Fred (levy1)

post #312 of 326
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Fleet of new cars, with drivers, on call 24/7 for IOC members.  They look after themselves very well, while media is seen as a source of income.

 

With all the puffery about "the ideals of sport" and "international competition" and "the striving for human accomplishment", people forget that the IOC is essentially a business.  It's officially a non-profit, but in reality its business is business -- and what's good for the IOC is good for the individuals involved at the highest levels.  From the Business Insider: "The secretive group that runs the Olympics is expected to earn a record $8 billion in the 2009-2012 quadrennial cycle, according to Sportcal.  Formed to promote "Olympism," the International Olympic Committee doesn't get rich off the Games, but they do enjoy themselves.  The 109-member Committee gets wined and dined by cities and corporations bidding for contracts, and they get treated like royalty at the Games.

Several times they've been caught taking bribes, but generally what happens in Switzerland stays in Switzerland" .

BI also reports that $800 million was devoted to "administration costs".   I guess those costs are things like new cars with drivers on call 24/7.

 

I love watching the sports -- and I applaud the athletes -- but I HATE the IOC/USOC.

 

post #313 of 326
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With all the great info you have about skiing I think you should start a post on the internet called "Send Primoz to the Olympics" Let me know where you start it, I dont have a lot of money but I have 10.00 US to start the fund!

We appreciate all your inside information and thank you for your posts.

Fred (levy1)

Seconded. I'd kick into that.

post #314 of 326

You need to leverage your still photo skills into becoming a freelance producer for the rights holder ( NBC) of next Oly in Korea.  I was in Norway with CBS - the world wide rights holder for the 94 games, and it was amazing. There was a resturant like cafeteria with great food in the Intl broadcast Center which was free as long as you had CBS credentials, had access to every venue including the two Alpine hills ( Kvitjell and Hafjell) - on course-  it was pretty terrific. Even got to slip the race courses and ski/train some GS and SL with the Italians and Swedes. And CBS had a transport center where you could most always get a car and driver to take you wherever. 

Now is the time to use your contacts and get set up for Korea. They always hire on freelance to help  staff the production side . In Norway there were many freelancers brought in for 3 weeks or so leading up to and including the games. My friends tell me things haven't changed at NBC.

post #315 of 326
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I third the notion of sending primoz. NBC needs more still photos! Most of them they seem to get from Getty and maybe AP.

In fact, we should send a whole epicski contingent with writing about the courses, the athletes, etc. None of this drivel they produce!

post #316 of 326

Hehe thanks guys :) But as I wrote there are much more important things on world then me seeing Olympics or not. So I'm not sitting back home crying because I can't make business out of this. I'm not only one, and there are others who can, and I'm happy for them. On the other side, I got some 3 weeks of "holidays", which meant a lot of skiing, especially xc skiing, so everything is good :) But it feels good to hear I (sometimes) bring at least a little bit to quality of this forum :)

post #317 of 326

Newfydog I'm pretty sure IOC takes good care of their own people, especially those on top. It's normal with all federations, and it makes me sick to be honest. Guys risking their lives, doing everything to be best in their sport, and basically allow those fat old bastards in charge to get all that money, are restricted with all sorts of stupid rules (including bullshit like Olympics are pure and no commercials should be there... of course except for those companies which pay directly to IOC and not athletes). These guys get nothing, while few people in charge get millions. But as I wrote, it's all same everywhere. FIS is no different, and even though most of top guys don't have salaries, they are getting huge, and I really mean HUGE amount of money (previously mentioned Marolt's salary at USST is joke compared to this, and yes, he also gets this share as he's pretty high up the FIS hierarchy) through several companies and institutions related with FIS.

post #318 of 326

Wow, I didn't realize the IOC leaders made so much money. And then you think about cities like Athens that lost tons of money holding the Olympics. It's pretty sad.

post #319 of 326
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Curling Stones!

Just saw this. The island where the granite comes from off of Scotland (where else) is for sale. Only $2.5 million. Maybe the IOC should buy it. Except there's nothing cushy out there.

 

                                                  Alisa Craig                            Photo: Kay's of Scotland

 

Getting to the Core of Olympic Curling Stones

by Julie Leibach Feb 20, 2014  sciencefriday.com    http://www.sciencefriday.com/blogs/02/20/2014/getting-to-the-core-of-olympic-curling-stones.html

 

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More precisely, Ailsa Craig granite is a microgranite, so-called for its fine-grained crystals, according to Phil Stone, an honorary research associate with the British Geological Survey who co-authored a 1987 study on the island. Among its predominant minerals—quartz and feldspar, which comprise every granite—Ailsa Craig granite also contains a few other rare minerals that bestow a speckled, blue-green appearance to an otherwise creamy-gray stone
 
The degree of speckling relates to a distinction made between two “types” of Ailsa Craig granite, says Stone—“blue hone” and “common green.” In Olympic curling stones, the former comprises the running band—the only part that touches the ice—while the body of the stone is fashioned from common green. But “in terms of the chemical composition, in terms of the minerals present, in terms of the grain size, [Ailsa Craig microgranite is] all exactly the same, except that in some parts of the rock body there are more or less of these little clusters of blue-green minerals,” says Stone, and the rock types get their names depending on the proportion of those flecks. 

 

Kay's of Scotland


 

Quote: Kay's of Scotland, manufacturer of the stones: http://www.kaysofscotland.co.uk/new-curling-stones.php

Our new stones are so good they have been chosen to be used in the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympic Games.
Kays of Scotland have produced the curling stones used in the last 5 Winter Olympic Games. As a small company we are proud of this achievement and feel it is testament to the quality stones we produce.

 

Russian Women Curler in Action. Is that the Kay's Stone from Alisa Craig? Presumably.

 

 

      AP Photo                                                               http://www.nbcolympics.com/photos/slideshow-russias-women-curlers-catch-worlds-eye

post #320 of 326

They make great hats as well:

 

post #321 of 326

Hilarious. I wonder if you can buy these, or if you have to make them yourself.

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post #323 of 326

Don't miss the Para Olympics starting today. They never get the same attention as the larger games but sometimes their achievements are even greater. 

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Don't miss the Para Olympics starting today. They never get the same attention as the larger games but sometimes their achievements are even greater. 


I'll bet none of them are whining about the crappy conditions even though it has to be far worse than last month..

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They make great hats as well:

 

How did I miss the opportunity to add this: 

post #326 of 326
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Don't miss the Para Olympics starting today. They never get the same attention as the larger games but sometimes their achievements are even greater. 


I'll bet none of them are whining about the crappy conditions even though it has to be far worse than last month..

Simply because there's not a flood of media looking to make a story out of statements of how the conditions are.

 

Such as:

"How's the half pipe?"

- Well, it's the worst I've ever seen. But it is what it is. Everybody has to deal with it.

 

Becomes:  "X complains of terrible half pipe conditions."

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