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post #31 of 38
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

Where were they made and who made them?

Lee Kinney @ The Custom Foot in Denver. Sidas product.
post #32 of 38
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Originally Posted by Scott43 View Post
 


Next time I buy boots, I'm going to get them from one guy and get the insoles done at the same time.

No question to get it all done right it takes some time...think weeks insteads of minutes to get every thing perfect.  If you can wrap your head around that, and do the follow through required your skiing will like take a huge leap forward because of it.

 

Some times the best boot fitters don't even sell boots and aren't in your typical brick and timber ski shop.  Ask around in your area for the "best boot fitters".

 

Here is an example...in our area the" best shop" for gear is local to me.  Wth a solid reputation for boot fitting (based IMO on the  skilled practioners that HAD worked there previous and the services they were able to offer based on personal skill and education).  Now those practioniers are gone.  All working in other stores or locations of their own (on a ski hill for example) and the fitting services at "the best" while seemingly complete are no longer offered as in depth as they once were.  All allowing for the less educated/skilled staff IMO to be useful.  When I went to duplicate my older insole (they were called obsolete) I was sold what eventually turned out to be a much less effective insole, same price to me but way less effort for THEM to produce and less expensive for them to buy.  Bigger margins for the store, less time for the employee and a less effective insole for the customer.  No wonder  only the newbie buys an insole or gets a boot fitted there now..

 

Turns out much of the original boot fitting equipment and the last well trained employees were shuffled off to another store that gets way less traffic as not to not disrupt the traffic and sales pitch for the lesser insole.  No wonder all the best boot fitters left "the best shop" some time ago.    I've had over a dozen pairs of boots fitted in the last 4 years.  If not for the time spent in shops trying to get a boot right and the amount of time each boot takes for a good written review I would have never found out the real story or realised just how easy it is to be sucked in to a "custom footbed" that is  basically useless, expensive and a waste of time.

 

Like much in life worth having/waiting for/owning...caveat emptor!


Edited by Dane - 1/11/14 at 11:02am
post #33 of 38
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Originally Posted by nochaser View Post

but can you clearly articulate the actual marked differences they made in your own skiing and performance? 

Glad you asked. First, nobody is pushing custom insoles on anybody else. My insoles look a lot like my wife's that I posted. That is in proper position with expert molding. My foot obviously does not look like that in a ski boot with a shoe insert or factory insole. So does it need to?

I started skiing 4 years ago just before turning 40 - I was a straight to parallel student. I got boot fitted - not expertly, but certainly in range for a basic starting point. Used Surefeet from day one (red). Had huge pain problems, in the left foot mostly, in the metatarsal arch area and compensated by really cranking the boots. Bring on the frozen feet.

Went to a second set of boots, down one size (26.5 mondo for size 11 street shoe and still a 100mm last). Same problems, and still having flat ski issues, particularly on the right side.

Went to see Lee @ The Custom Foot at the start of my second season bent on getting a Fischer Vacuum. Walked out with insoles after an extensive foot evaluation and molding process. Lee thought my existing shells were a good fit - no reason to rush off and try yet something new.

Everything changed. Foot twinges gone, immediate precision that hadn't been there, but now I was overpowering my boots easily and I want gear I can learn with but grow into. I have four kids and don't have time to get into a super narrow fit with a bunch of fitter punch visits, so I went with the Sidas Black Project with the injection liner as a boot upgrade. I have a ton of room around the Achilles and wanted a one and done solution.

That combo has been amazing (albeit with added weight). I have been a completely different skier ever since, and in my experience the insole first, if you need it, is critical if you want to advance quickly or even if you just want to put in a lot of time skiing with your kids (I wanted both).

I am surely envious of people who can step into stuff without needing the extras. A common theme here is probably skinny/bony with arches to contend with, but I am reasonably comfortable saying that the people who would benefit from a foot evaluation on day one far outnumber those who would not. Especially if you are late in life to the game and have a hard time expressing what you may need outside of shell fitment.
post #34 of 38

Glad to hear it worked out for you well. I'm sure I'll give it a try at least once on a $200 +/- budget. Probably sooner than later if I'm gonna do it anyways. Maybe this season when I hit Mammoth.  Who knows bootfitters may tell me.."dude, you don't need custom footbeds".

post #35 of 38
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Originally Posted by Dane View Post

In a perfect world I would take the first skier and  get her fitted for a custom foot bed prior to buying a ski boot, then find a boot shell that is the best choice for what she wants to ski and her foot shape.  Then fit the liners and trim the insole accordingly.  I know from hard earned experience her skiing would take a huge leap forward with way less effort and time involved.  Bottom line?    Her skiing would be more fun and safer.

Totally agree. Insoles don't fix boot fit, and even if boot fit is 'recreationally good' in shell length and last width, you need both. The problem as I experienced it is that if you really need those insoles, getting to boot fit isn't going to feel like it is ever done if that is where you start. When I latch my buckles, just two finger tight now, my instep arch, ankles, and instep itself have an equal "hug". That difference is huge, and the safety point as well.
post #36 of 38

Ya knda funny how "safer" just popped into my head when writing that.  But then I remember back to some of the nasty crashes I had as a kid  when I could so easily hook that right ski edge.

 

If I was still taking that kind of beating I would likely have stopped skiing.  Either way no chance of skiing the terrain I do now on a regular basis without a properly positioned foot inside my boot.


Edited by Dane - 1/10/14 at 7:22pm
post #37 of 38
^^^^I fractured a tibial plateau to end my first season. No fault of boots, but will get one serious in a hurry.
post #38 of 38

I'm a Cadence insoles guy myself.  I use them in all my shoes and boots.  Supportive and comfortable, kinda like the SOLE, which I like but more comfortable.  I would recommend adding an insole to anybody for any shoe.  A better fit, better mechanics and more comfort is priceless in the short term and long run.  I agree with what Dane said earlier.

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