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Nobody Wants Black Diamond Skis?

post #1 of 24
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Just out of curiosity, it seems that nobody really talk about Black Diamond skis here. Did a bit of research and last post about them was way back in 2007. Are those not any good?

post #2 of 24
Perhaps more back country? Not a huge number on this forum doing that. May be TGR or Mountain Project?
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by LaserPower View Post
 

Just out of curiosity, it seems that nobody really talk about Black Diamond skis here. Did a bit of research and last post about them was way back in 2007. Are those not any good?

 

I am sure there are more recent post swallowed up by the fact that searching will bring up 800 posts on runs labeled as black diamonds.

 

But yes, it is a BC oriented ski, and Epic on the whole is focused on resort skiing. I would try the backcountry forum here or TGR.

post #4 of 24

If you are heavily committed to the UPhill experience then the BDs are great and as good as any. If you are are more committed to the DOWNhill part of the experience, then the BDs are as good as any UPhill ski at that.

 

SJ

post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
@sibhusky@anachronism

But are back country skis drastically different from resort skis? I thought they are just lighter, which is something resort skiers can also benefit from using...
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

If you are heavily committed to the UPhill experience then the BDs are great and as good as any. If you are are more committed to the DOWNhill part of the experience, then the BDs are as good as any UPhill ski at that.

SJ

What about downhill performances? What aspect will they be dramatically worse than dedicated downhill skis?
post #7 of 24
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What about downhill performances? What aspect will they be dramatically worse than dedicated downhill skis?

 

Edge grip, dampening, turn finish...............among other things.

 

SJ

post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Edge grip, dampening, turn finish...............among other things.

SJ

Ok nevermind then...i'll just stick with DPS or Kastle...
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by LaserPower View Post


What about downhill performances? What aspect will they be dramatically worse than dedicated downhill skis?

 

* Torsional stiffness.

 

* Hard snow performance.

 

* Mogul performance.

 

* Stability at higher speeds.

 

* Crud performance in heavier and more-set-up and tracked-out snow.

 

 

Black Diamonds are excellent backcountry and even sidecountry skis.  That's what they're designed for.  

 

SierraJim said it perfectly, though, if you read what he said and understand the full meaning of his post:  

 

"If you are are more committed to the DOWNhill part of the experience, then the BDs are as good as any UPhill ski at that."

post #10 of 24

Sorry.

 

You and SJ already resolved it while I was typing.

post #11 of 24
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@sibhusky@anachronism

But are back country skis drastically different from resort skis? I thought they are just lighter, which is something resort skiers can also benefit from using...

 

Yes, light skis are not a bad thing, but you have to consider WHY BD can make the ski lighter when other resort models aren't.

 

The reason is that a good resort ski has to be able to ski the kind of snow commonly encountered in the resort- tracked up, cut up, moguled out, packed in, etc.

 

Because these conditions generally aren't found in the BC, you can make a ski lighter and still have it perform well on powder (or other more-uniform surfaces you tends to find in the BC- corn, windbuff, etc.).

 

I will be honest and say I don't have a lot of experience with BD stuff so I can't give you specifics of which models MAY do well inbounds, but that is why not many people around here are talking about Black Diamond skis.

post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
I see folks. Thanks for the answers!
post #13 of 24

The black diamond megawatt (the ugly orange one) has gotten some amazing reviews as a pure powder ski. So if you are lookin for a pure powder ski for Cat skiing or big resort dumps I think it should be on your radar.

 

ps also not much talk here about Fatypus skis

post #14 of 24
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The black diamond megawatt (the ugly orange one) has gotten some amazing reviews as a pure powder ski. So if you are lookin for a pure powder ski for Cat skiing or big resort dumps I think it should be on your radar.

ps also not much talk here about Fatypus skis

Hmm...I donno. I actually like the top sheet designs for the black diamond skis. Personally think the worst this year would be the Blizzard bull series...
post #15 of 24

I absolutely LOVE my Black Diamond Skis!  I'm on my 2nd season with my 185cm Black Diamond Justices (IIRC they're the 11/12 model).  They do awesome at the resort on a Pow day, and the day after, I've ripped DEEP pow, bumps, trees and even some soft mid day groomers with ease.  I've got Marker Barons mounted up to mine so my set up is more geared towards slack country/side country not true AT/Randonee skiing.  I'm 6'1" and 240# so getting the ski on edge on a packed snow is easy for me, if you're 100# lighter I'd imagine you'd have a different exp. 

 

I'm probably going to add a pair of Megawatts w/Griffons to my quiver for deep days.  I doubt I'd ever ski a BD Ski as an everyday resort ski but if you spend you time at the resort in the trees and in the slackcountry seeking out pow stashes I think they're great skis.

 

 

post #16 of 24

I own a pair of 2013 BD Zealots and they bust through crud and variable like no other. Granted I do not have the demo experience of many forum members here, but I do know I was blasting down pitches of 30+ degrees with 4 to 12 inches of chop on top of some scattered bumps faster than anyone at my local hill that day, and I only have 13 days of lifetime skiing under my belt. I was trying to decide between the Zealots and Cochises, and am 100% satisfied with my decision. If a ski can make someone like me look good in those kinds of conditions then they are amazing skis in my book! Between these and my Head Speeds, I've got 99% of conditions I'll encounter covered.

 

As I understand it, BD has been making some drastic changes over the last few years in their lineup, and they might get some bad press from years past. I'd encourage anyone to look into a pair of 2013+ Zealots for crust busting and front side carving in variable snow. 

post #17 of 24
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I own a pair of 2013 BD Zealots and they bust through crud and variable like no other. Granted I do not have the demo experience of many forum members here, but I do know I was blasting down pitches of 30+ degrees with 4 to 12 inches of chop on top of some scattered bumps faster than anyone at my local hill that day, and I only have 13 days of lifetime skiing under my belt. I was trying to decide between the Zealots and Cochises, and am 100% satisfied with my decision. If a ski can make someone like me look good in those kinds of conditions then they are amazing skis in my book! Between these and my Head Speeds, I've got 99% of conditions I'll encounter covered.



 



As I understand it, BD has been making some drastic changes over the last few years in their lineup, and they might get some bad press from years past. I'd encourage anyone to look into a pair of 2013+ Zealots for crust busting and front side carving in variable snow. 


 



So is that the consensus on the Zealots? Stiff, damp crud buster and solid carver with powder capability? I ski on a pair of Line Influence 105's, and these strike me as VERY similar, if a little wider.
post #18 of 24

Hi SkiBumGolfer,

 

Stiff, damp, crud buster with powder capability is exactly how'd I'd describe them. Gives you a tremendous amount of control at speed. Whether or not they are "carvers" is another thing. I'm not sure anything near this width is what I'd consider a carver. If you've ever carved on race skis I'm sure you would agree. Having said that, they are very easy to get on edge and hold that edge, hence one of the primary reasons they are great in crud. Their width gives them the edge in powder. I know some people like to "float" over crud and claim a wide ski help with that. From what I've seen on the slopes this technique is attributable to beginners, and will certainly not work with these since they don't go slow. You will definitely be holding an edge though, the radius on these skis reduces their maneuvarability. Crud or no crud, I generally wait for a slope to empty before bombing down on these. They really only have one speed. Hope this helps!

post #19 of 24
I guess "carver" is really not the right word haha - I more meant that they are good at carving for a ski in that width bracket, very much like my Influences. They rail as much as a fatty can rail. But yes, I have skied on dedicated carving skis, and it's not the same thing for sure!

The rest of your description - that's the Influences to a T. Floats pretty good in pow so long as you're going fast, blasts through crud as long as you're going fast...pretty much just like to go fast haha. So probably not a great acquisition for me. The Zealots are mad cheap right now, so I was kinda just curious if they were worth a look, but sounds like I'd definitely be duplicating. Thanks for the info!
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

If you are heavily committed to the UPhill experience then the BDs are great and as good as any. If you are are more committed to the DOWNhill part of the experience, then the BDs are as good as any UPhill ski at that.

 

SJ

If you read this carefully, you will appreciate that SJ is wasting his time in the ski industry; his proper career would be negotiating ends to all current Middle East conflicts. 

post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by LaserPower View Post

Hmm...I donno. I actually like the top sheet designs for the black diamond skis. Personally think the worst this year would be the Blizzard bull series...

If you read carefully you will see LP is buying skis cuz they look cool.
Yikes.
post #22 of 24

Like they say on TGR, get the red ones...

post #23 of 24

Do they have a DOUBLE Black Diamond model?:duck:

post #24 of 24
I got 35 days on my zealots last year, all at the resort (Canadian Rockies). Loved them. They did everything excellently, except blue ice. Would very highly recommend, however size up. My only complaint is that they skied quite short, and I picked up the smaller size (182). That's my fault though. Also I found them very friendly, which is not at all how they are marketed, FYI.
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