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Backcountry vs Classic

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

are NNN BC boots compatible with NNN bindings? I've been skiing with classic for a while, but i prefer downhill skiing. are backcountry skis closer to downhill?or just stick with classic?

post #2 of 11

NNNBC and NNN are not compatible. The toe bar and the ridges are sized differently. Backcountry skis have more sidecut and are shorter than regular classic skis, which will make them easier to turn. The metal edges will help if you find yourself on ice or really hardpacked snow. You can learn to ski downhill with relative grace on classic skis, but it takes a lot of practice and skill.

post #3 of 11
My NNN boots finally fell apart, so I went all in ,with a new NNN-BC setup. Wide skis helped with the balance in deep snow.

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post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

along the lines of this, anyone know where i can find a pair of nnn bc boots that are larger than a size 48 uk/ 13 us?

post #5 of 11
There are many shops that would probably carry a boot in that size, including mainstream retailers like REI or Backcountry. If you have questions, you're better off going with a knowledgeable cross-country shop, such as Akers in Maine or Onion River Sports in Vermont. The Onion River website has excellent videos explaining the differences between different kinds of skis boots and bindings. In terms of terminology, "classic" doesn't refer to the type of boot, but to the classic cross country motion, known as "diagonal stride," as opposed to the skating motion. You would ski classic in NNN, NNN BC, and three pin (75mm) binding set ups. As far as a better backcountry set up that can do downhills easier, you would need to go with at least an NNN BC, or even better, a 3-pin binding with a stiffer BC boot.

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post #6 of 11

I wear a size 48 ish. Alpina boots run much larger than Rossignol boots in my experience, and can often be found in 49. A 48 Alpina bc boot fits more like a 13.5 - 14.

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

i just heard back from alpina, and they told me that NNNBC boots work on NNN bindings. now im really confused.

post #8 of 11

What the %^$&^%!?!?  

No, no, no.  NNN is one standard; NNN-BC is another.  Whoever told you that didn't know the truth OR they simply meant NNN style vs. Salomon or 3-pin OR you misheard.  DO NOT BUY NNN-BC boots and expect them to fit in regular NNN bindings.

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by tch View Post

What the %^$&^%!?!?  
No, no, no.  NNN is one standard; NNN-BC is another.  Whoever told you that didn't know the truth OR they simply meant NNN style vs. Salomon or 3-pin OR you misheard.  DO NOT BUY NNN-BC boots and expect them to fit in regular NNN bindings.
Word.
post #10 of 11
And I have a major bone to pick with Alpina too. I bought my wife NNN touring boots a few years back, but she's only used them once, max twice. They have no wear and look brand new. The plastic lace holes cracked. Alpina would do nothing for me without the original store receipt.
post #11 of 11

NNN and NNN BC are not the same, as already stated multiple times. Also, backcountry skis are easier to ski on downhill. They are usually wider, which makes them easier to turn, and also floats better in deep snow. The metal edges, and the sidecut also makes them easier to ski on down hill, and in icy areas. But be aware, if you use them in groomed xc tracks (is that what you call it in english?), some of the skis don't fit in the tracks because they are too wide (eg. Fischer E109 doesn't fit, but Fischer E99 fits). 

 

If you go up and down hills (mountains) a lot, you could also consider a 75mm binding (eg. Voile 3-pin or rottefella super telemark) with leather boots. This setup will be much more stable, especially going down hill, than the NNN BC bindings. The bindings are also much more relaible, and easier to repair if something breaks in the middle of nowhere. But the NNN BC bindings are more comfortable if you mostly ski in flat areas, as there is less resistance in the foot movement. 

 

If you like down hill skiing better, and if you live in an area with lots of big mountains, you could also look at a light weight backcountry setup, like Dynafit. If you don't already know, these are ultra light skis with incredibly light bindings and boots as well. The bindings have a waling functions, and you use skins on the skis. But I wouldn't recomend this for flat areas, and definitely not groomed tracks. But this is completely different from of skiing, so probably not really relevant to what you were originally asking, but this is also a form of backcountry skiing.

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