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post #181 of 187
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Very different worlds.   Most kids in Colorado grow up skiing bumps, not gates.   Bumps are free, gates are expensive.   I'd guess it's the same in other bigger mountain areas where bumps live, but not at smaller mountains areas where bumps, sadly, die.   

 

It would be interesting to see national skier stats about bumps, vs gates, park, etc.  I think Colorado has like 20% of the total skier market.  I bet for skier days in Colorado it's at least 100:1 bumps to gates.

I can zipper bumps (up to a certain steepness/hardness point) and would love to run gates on "boring" groomer days.  Guess what I do more; actually only.  Zipper bumps.  

 

It's impossible as an adult to get into gates without getting somewhat serious about it.  NASTAR seems to be gone from most resorts and I was never into waiting 20 minutes to do a 30 second run.  I'd love to be able to run some gates just for fun.  Even just some brushes setup since gates might be some sort of liability issue and need to be maintained when crashed into.  I've had this opportunity once in 30 years of skiing.  A local Catskills resort setup a carving course with an automatic timer.

post #182 of 187
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Come on now. Let's not get crazy or anything.

The phrase "All Mountain" does not contain the word bump or mogul. Calling  " all mountain" a ski that could not be decent in bumps is like calling " beer" the beer without alcool...

 

When will they start rating pants on how easily they fall down to the knees? You're too late... it is taking place in all snow parks...

post #183 of 187

 

 

Per my post #75 and 94 above, I complained how most resorts groom off all moguls on advanced intermediate gradient runs leaving only bumps on steeper advanced runs where it is difficult to groom, thus making it difficult for newer skiers to ever learn mogul skills.  So I wanted to give an example of how it can be done.  Well for resorts that even care to do so.   Thus yesterday Saturday 2/22/2014 while at Sierra-at-Tahoe took a few pics below with my little Nikon S3100.  The images are off the West Bowl Express quad express lift that rises 1417 vertical feet on intermediate to advance intermediate slopes.  The run imaged is Clipper that routes below the lift line.   Clipper is the steepest of moderately wide 6 cut forest runs across intermediate slopes and a rare example among Tahoe resorts of leaving such a lower pitched run ungroomed, especially one also below a lift where lift riders might actually watch.

 

 

 

What Sierra-at-Tahoe does is groom the skier's right side of the trail (looker's left) leaving  skier's left side natural that of course is just steep enough to form moguls and readily does so.  The resort has much steeper runs, all with moguls, off the Grandview Express quad on the east side of the resort so they did not leave bumps on this run simply because they didn't have enough on their slopes.  But rather so those interested in skiing moguls had a place to develop the skill to smoothly ski them before taking that technique into steeper gradients where most skiers without the automatic familiar skill simply don't have enough time to react before blowing out.

 

 

 

This was my second day of what will be a very short season for this person in this record droughty year.  I had skied the previous holiday Saturday at the resort.  A couple bump runs down Castle, the first in over a year, had went well but body, especially my lower back quickly got stressed for this old guy.  This day I got 5 groomers in early from a 10am start, then 10 runs on Clipper and 2 on Castle, all moguls and my body now Sunday feels surprisingly fine. 

 

 

From the lift top, I mainly skied the groomed 400 feet 40% grade shadowed skier's left side edge, a perfect fall line drop for slalom enthusiasts.  Then one moves left into the top of middle Clipper a 200 foot section of 37% grade easy small to medium size well shaped bumps.  Then middle Clipper doglegs right another 200 feet vertical at lower 33% grade of more easy moguls before the brink of shady lower Clipper with moderate sized bumps, out of view of the lift, that drops 320 feet total with the top 200 feet at 45% grade.

 

Each run I stopped at the top of lower Clipper and sometimes at the top of middle Clipper but otherwise all 10 runs were non-stop in the fall line, some so smooth I had to concentrate to stop day dreaming that leads to losing visual attention. Terrific repetitious second day of the season training for pounding in skills already in my old brain, back into awareness.   And my second run at steeper Castle stopped once above the lower section of upper Castle while cruising non-stop the whole 450 feet of lower Castle where I noted an instructor was actually teaching a couple clients mogul skills.

 


Edited by dave_SSS - 2/23/14 at 11:21am
post #184 of 187

Thread revivial

 

Five knee surgeries and a complete lack of technique have kept me out of the bumps but I really enjoy watching folks who know what they're doing.  We sell a lot of bump skis nationally so I can tell you there is still a demand.

 

We just got in the 2015 Hart F17 with new graphics and that prompted me to dig up this old thread.

 

F17 Classic

F17 World Cup.

 


Edited by patmoore - 4/22/14 at 7:45am
post #185 of 187
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Originally Posted by tball View Post
 

 

Very different worlds.   Most kids in Colorado grow up skiing bumps, not gates.   Bumps are free, gates are expensive.   I'd guess it's the same in other bigger mountain areas where bumps live, but not at smaller mountains areas where bumps, sadly, die.   

 

It would be interesting to see national skier stats about bumps, vs gates, park, etc.  I think Colorado has like 20% of the total skier market.  I bet for skier days in Colorado it's at least 100:1 bumps to gates.

Small mountain bumps!

In Connecticut!

 

Ski Sundown.

Pat, did you guys sponsor the mogul comp this year?

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/skisundownmoguls

 

Some quadcopter footage:

 

http://vimeo.com/88804894

post #186 of 187
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Small mountain bumps!

In Connecticut!

 

Ski Sundown.

Pat, did you guys sponsor the mogul comp this year?

 

 

 

Yep.

post #187 of 187
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Originally Posted by patmoore View Post
 

Thread revivial

 

Five knee surgeries and a complete lack of technique have kept me out of the bumps but I really enjoy watching folks who know what they're doing.  We sell a lot of bump skis nationally so I can tell you there is still a demand.

 

We just got in the 2014 Hart F17 with new graphics and that prompted me to dig up this old thread.

 

F17 Classic

F17 World Cup.

 

 

Ever thought about selling mogul pants? With the bump crew we have, it might be a big seller.

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