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Boot sizing- additional question

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 

Hello- I posted yesterday and had a follow up question.  So it turns out my foot width is actually just under 90mm. I found a boot with a 102mm last and it fits very well. (K2 Spyne)  However, i also found a boot with a 98mm last which is even more snug and is a higher quality professional boot (its a Head Raptor Project).  I have flat feet and need a lot of support but want to be comfortable too.  Would either of these boots be ok or should I go with the Head with the 98mm last?  Its actually marked dwon from $900 to $400 so if im going to buy a boot i would ideally like to have the highest quality.  Appreciate your advice!  Thanks

post #2 of 25

Jason, with all due respect, no one here is going to be able to tell you which boot to buy, because we cannot measure or see the fit of the boot on your foot. Go to a boot fitter. It is worth the money, trust me. You can cut corners on skis and clothes. Dont cut corners on your boots. You'll save money in the long run by getting fit with a boot that is actually right for you.

post #3 of 25
Thread Starter 

No I went to a professional ski shop and worked with two fitters.  Both boots feel good and are high quality, i am just looking for an opinion on which would be a better boot.  The Head is very high quality and designed for professional skiers and has a smaller last.  If im paying $400 for a boot i want to know i have the best one that fits right for me.  

post #4 of 25
I can't believe that a "professional fitter" would put you in that wide boot (Spyne). Sounds like just a guy in a shop. What are his qualifications??? Your foot is UNDER 90 mm?? And you're contemplating going with a boot over 10 mm wider? Use rentals if you like that kind of fit.
post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 

well seems that the consensus is that there is no set rule for last size.  its all based on comfort and proper fit.  the 102mm boots are very firm and can be adjusted even more.  some people wear boots that are higher than there foot width and some wear lower - my foot is 90mm

post #6 of 25
Who told you that? If the boot is too wide, the more the liner packs, the more your foot is going to slide inside the boot rather than control the ski. You want that boot to be "one with" your foot. This is simple common sense that is key to controlling the ski. Slop around all you want to in your sandals at the beach.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

 Your foot is UNDER 90 mm?? And you're contemplating going with a boot over 10 mm wider? Use rentals if you like that kind of fit.

This. 

Also, fitting isnt just handing you boots that are your approximate size...

post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

well isnt that what the adjustment buckles are for?  once it packs you can just tighten it up some more, right?

post #9 of 25

This thread really should be in the "Ask the Boot Guys" forum, IMO.

 

Buckles will not compensate for a overly long or wide boot i.e. a poor fitting boot.

 

Have you read this?

http://www.epicski.com/a/boot-fitting-which-boot-will-work-for-me

post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 

so 98mm is probably the best boot for me?  

post #11 of 25
How wide is your foot? Just means like it's not as bad as the other one. Seriously. GET THE NAME OF A GOOD BOOT FITTER. There are lists on this site. Not a good store. A guy's name.
post #12 of 25

I just went through the whole bootfitting process and asked here a few weeks ago which boots to try (my foot is 88 wide). So, if anyone has suggestions for a specific brand and model (the narrowest I found was 95, or from 93 with Fischer vacuum)? Earlier suggestions were zipfit liners. I went to different bootfitters and bought boots (Atomic Redster Pro 120), I'm just curious to see if there are more suggestions now. Mine ski great and I feel totally in control, so it's not an issue (yet). 

post #13 of 25

Have you spend some time in this forum? There are questions in there about last widths and foot width.

http://www.epicski.com/f/73/ask-the-boot-guys

 

98mm may be sloppy for your 90mm foot. I measure 95mm and am in 98mm boots.

 

OP, where are you located?

post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 

Ok now im irritated!  The guy who measured my feet at the store said the width was 90mm.  i just measured myself at home and seems its actually right around 98mm (3.88 inches).  So would a 98mm boot still be ok or would a 102 be better?

post #15 of 25

We can't tell you what would be better. You need to go try them on and do a proper shell fit with the liner OUT of the boot with the guidelines from the link in post #9 in mind.

post #16 of 25
You got your foot in the 98, right? If there was no PAIN, then it's wearable. You want the snuggest boot you can get in all directions, length, width, height (instep) without crippling yourself. Don't know how much simpler to put it. The liner will pack out.
post #17 of 25

Key point lost in this discussion is if you buy too big, no one will ever be able to make the boot truly work for you. But if the boot is too tight, a competent bootfitter can grind, punch out areas that are bothering your foot and more importantly, your foot becomes one with the ski! My rule is boot must be extremely snug in the shop because the liner will "pack in" making the boot bigger and your foot shrinks to some small degree in the cold

post #18 of 25
Thread Starter 

Gonna go with the HEad 98mm boots- they are very high quality and provide a lot of support.  thx for all the help! 

post #19 of 25

Still no-one has mentioned any boot (brand, model) narrower than 98 mm. I'm interested too.

post #20 of 25
Skinniest I found was 97. Maybe a boot fitter could tell us?
post #21 of 25
Interesting. I measured my foot and turns out had a 109mm forefoot. I was still able to squeeze comfortably into a shell 1 size smaller than my street shoe with a 106mm last. It was a bit painful the first few days but is now perfect. I know all feet are different, but if you have a 98mm forefoot I'm guessing you could fit into something smaller than that.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by Cheizz View Post
 

Still no-one has mentioned any boot (brand, model) narrower than 98 mm. I'm interested too.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Skinniest I found was 97. Maybe a boot fitter could tell us?

 

The runaway best selling 97mm boot right now (Lange) is probably a bit wider than that. The Head Raptor 98mm boot usually fits a bit narrower then the Lange. However, there are boots on the market that are narrower than 97mm. These are all race boots but most come in several flexes so finding one for a good skier that is not a racer is not too hard. The advertised widths on these are probably a bit fictional so it's best to ignore what you think you know about these and just find some to try on.

 

Head B5, B3

Lange RP ZAJ, ZA

Nordica Dobermann WC 100,130

Tecnica R 9.3 110,130

Atomic Redster WC 110, 130

 

There are others as well but these are well known and are generally the standards thus.............pretty common if you seek out the proper source.

 

SJ


Edited by SierraJim - 1/7/14 at 2:28pm
post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by MWshredder View Post
 

Key point lost in this discussion is if you buy too big, no one will ever be able to make the boot truly work for you. But if the boot is too tight, a competent bootfitter can grind, punch out areas that are bothering your foot and more importantly, your foot becomes one with the ski! My rule is boot must be extremely snug in the shop because the liner will "pack in" making the boot bigger and your foot shrinks to some small degree in the cold

 

Comfy boots in the shop means the boots are too big.

post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post
 

Comfy boots in the shop means the boots are too big.

This.

 

But I'll add couple of things to the mix. First, OP I'm certain you are measuring your foot wrong, unless you are a young female teen. Second, if you truly are a 90 mm, no fitter in his/her right mind would put you in a last that's 8 mm wider. And if they did, the boot would feel like a sailboat. Did this guy have you put your foot into the shell, without the liner? Did he measure the gap between your heel and the back of the boot, or see how much space you had on each side of the shell? (Easy to do with transparent shells, incidentally.) 

 

So let's just say you have a very long narrow foot. Your questions about "professional quality" race boots indicate you're not real familiar with boots in general. I believe the guy who fit you wanted you to buy the K2's because they're K2's first venture into boots, and have been generally well reviewed, and his store wants to move K2 products. OTOH, I don't think you would notice any difference in "quality" between these and the Heads. Maybe in a few years, or maybe if you raced, not now.

 

Finally, if you really want to go narrow, Lange full race RS's come in 92 mm lasts, 140 flex and up. No, not recommending those, unless you are planning to have a qualified fitter reduce the flex to say 120 and then take a lesson a day for the rest of the season. But if you really, truly, have a 90 mm foot (already stated I don't think so), something like that would be the best option. Or try some from SJ's list. More generally, you could buy an older new race plug and have it drilled out, flex reduced. Real race plugs have wonderful plastic, incidentally, so great flex pattern, and can be used for more than racing if you get them fitted correctly and wear boot gloves to compensate for the super thin liners. 


Edited by beyond - 1/8/14 at 9:38am
post #25 of 25

Some clarifications to the above post ^^^ are in order. The OP stated in post #14 that his foot is closer to 98 than 90. The boots that I listed are race plugs and several of them come in 100-110 flexes so no need to cut away at them (which is not super effective anyway). The Lange RS mentioned above is the Lange RP-06 and as I mentioned, the published widths of those and others are largely fictional. FWIW, the ZAS is appropriate for a 100-120 lb racer as are the Head B5, Nordica WC 100 etc, so they are fine for an average weight adult (good skier) that needs/wants that fit.

 

Other than those points, good post.

 

SJ

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