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Head i.supershape (magnum/rally) vs. Dynastar Speed Course Pro

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

Could anybody explain how these skis are different or similar, please.

I am looking for a strong front ski (on-piste) (somewhere between 70-78 mm under-foot) only ski and these 2 have a lot of posts in the media.

Head is a little bit cheaper and I think more user-friendlier (I think).

 

Any how, I am 40 yo, 200 lb, advanced skier in Lake Tahoe, CA area.

 

Thank you for any input.

 

Oleg

post #2 of 11
Thread Starter 

On the second though, I think these 2 (Dynastar an head ) are 2 different skies and I would probably check out dynastar (I think it is easier to demo in my area). For what I read, Dynastar would preform better and carve cleaner (of course, it is 100% depends on the skier as well).

 

So, at this point I am not really sure how to delete my thread.

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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post
 

On the second though, I think these 2 (Dynastar an head ) are 2 different skies and I would probably check out dynastar (I think it is easier to demo in my area). For what I read, Dynastar would preform better and carve cleaner (of course, it is 100% depends on the skier as well).

 

So, at this point I am not really sure how to delete my thread.

 

In a nutshell: the Magnum/Rally are narrower, frontside oriented all-mountain skis, tending toward smaller arcs.  The Speed Course TI is a groomer ski.  A bit stiffer, smaller sweet spot, heavier.  If you are skiing everywhere, and want a ripping groomer ski, I would look at the Heads.  But, if you are tending toward groomers exclusively, the Dynastar will be a bit more rewarding ski, with a  higher speed limit than the Heads.

post #4 of 11

I will jump in here with my own as I posted a similar question a couple days ago about these 2 skis.

 
Any opinions on these skis?  Looking for a new  hard snow ski  I don't want a fully committed race set up I don't think. but  need to get through gates now and again ( coaching) Need great stability, no real speed limit, ability to vary turn shape and size SL to GS.  Would love it if it were forgiving enough to get me through the occasional bump run or a day of chopped up crud.  I've kind been sold on the Dynastars just cause there are some out there. Consider the heads cause ive had the Supershape and the Chip and enjoyed them.   On Heads and Vokls now though the heads are shot. 5'10 165lbs.  Thank you

 

 

 

 Is this years Dynastar Speed Course Pro the replacement for the TI?  On paper it looks like the head Rally is probably for me.? what else should I be looking at?  

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I will jump in here with my own as I posted a similar question a couple days ago about these 2 skis.

 
Any opinions on these skis?  Looking for a new  hard snow ski  I don't want a fully committed race set up I don't think. but  need to get through gates now and again ( coaching) Need great stability, no real speed limit, ability to vary turn shape and size SL to GS.  Would love it if it were forgiving enough to get me through the occasional bump run or a day of chopped up crud.  I've kind been sold on the Dynastars just cause there are some out there. Consider the heads cause ive had the Supershape and the Chip and enjoyed them.   On Heads and Vokls now though the heads are shot. 5'10 165lbs.  Thank you

 

 

 

 Is this years Dynastar Speed Course Pro the replacement for the TI?  On paper it looks like the head Rally is probably for me.? what else should I be looking at?  

 

All your questions were answered before you asked them. Read post #3 above. The only addition I would add is that the Head Rally, while great, is not the ski the Course Pro is. Yes the Pro is the replacement for the Ti and yes, it's a slightly more technical ski than the Heads.

 

SJ

post #6 of 11

Thanks, I just copied the questions I asked  few days ago that nobody responded to.  I guess the  turn R of the Pro at 16-17 vs the Rally at 13-14 is what has me wondering.  I've got a decent GS ski so was looking for something closer to a SL.  but be a little more fun in crud or bumps than  a set up SL race ski. In your experience does the Pro (TI) respond well to different turn shape and size? Are its tip and tail as committed ( stiff) as their SL and GS skis?  Who else is making a ski that falls some where between the SL and GS. or a dialed down race ski.  Thank you 

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Thanks, I just copied the questions I asked  few days ago that nobody responded to.  I guess the  turn R of the Pro at 16-17 vs the Rally at 13-14 is what has me wondering.  I've got a decent GS ski so was looking for something closer to a SL.  but be a little more fun in crud or bumps than  a set up SL race ski. In your experience does the Pro (TI) respond well to different turn shape and size? Are its tip and tail as committed ( stiff) as their SL and GS skis?  Who else is making a ski that falls some where between the SL and GS. or a dialed down race ski.  Thank you 

 

I would stick with a more typical race carver type of ski if you want to go the slalom route.  The Rally will feel more like a slalom sidecut, not like a race carver though; it is too soft.  Some good ones worth checking out:

 

Elan Waveflex SLX Fusion (I ski in 170cm, a very versatile carver)

Kastle RXSL (more of a near full race ski)

Stockli Laser CX (similar to the SLX in terms of versatility)

Fischer Progressor 950 (basically a wider version of a GS/SL hybrid carver, excellent powerhouse front side ski)

Fischer WC SC (full-on race carver, not too demanding though in a longer length). 

 

I have skied the Fire Arrow EDT from Nordica, and it is awesome, but only in a GS length. I can imagine it would be a good choice if purchased shorter. 

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Originally Posted by PatrickM View Post

Thanks, I just copied the questions I asked  few days ago that nobody responded to.  I guess the  turn R of the Pro at 16-17 vs the Rally at 13-14 is what has me wondering.  I've got a decent GS ski so was looking for something closer to a SL.  but be a little more fun in crud or bumps than  a set up SL race ski. In your experience does the Pro (TI) respond well to different turn shape and size? Are its tip and tail as committed ( stiff) as their SL and GS skis?  Who else is making a ski that falls some where between the SL and GS. or a dialed down race ski.  Thank you 

Stockli SX could be a consideration along with the Kastle RX SL, two premiums that have a short turn bias and the ability to vary turn shapes under the feet of a technically competent skier .
post #9 of 11

Not that published TR is the be-all to be endlessly agonized over, but here are few to look at.

 

Typical FIS SL ski: 165/13

Head Magnum 170/13.1

Head Rally 170/13.6

Dynastar CP 172/15

Stockli SX 170/15.6

 

SJ

post #10 of 11

Thank you for all the leads.  The Kastle and Stockli are out of my budget.   I follow this sight enough to know how highly they are regarded but I can't do it.  What is available to me here right now is the Dynastar Pro.  How would you rate that to the Elan and Fischer recomended before as I am sure I can track these down if I wanted?    

post #11 of 11
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I would stick with a more typical race carver type of ski if you want to go the slalom route.  The Rally will feel more like a slalom sidecut, not like a race carver though; it is too soft.  Some good ones worth checking out:

 

Elan Waveflex SLX Fusion (I ski in 170cm, a very versatile carver)

Kastle RXSL (more of a near full race ski)

Stockli Laser CX (similar to the SLX in terms of versatility)

Fischer Progressor 950 (basically a wider version of a GS/SL hybrid carver, excellent powerhouse front side ski)

Fischer WC SC (full-on race carver, not too demanding though in a longer length). 

 

I have skied the Fire Arrow EDT from Nordica, and it is awesome, but only in a GS length. I can imagine it would be a good choice if purchased shorter. 

This; a slightly detuned SL or SL/GS hybrid will be more secure on hard surfaces, and can be surprisingly fun in bumps if you adapt your style. If you can't afford a Stockli or Kastle, I've had very positive experiences on Fischers and Dynastars. Fischer race carvers are lively, but unlike most lively skis, aren't nervous, hold like pit bulls. Dynastars are damper, more planted feeling, but easy to handle if you keep form. If you're staring at a Course Pro Ti for a good price, there ya go. 

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
 

Not that published TR is the be-all to be endlessly agonized over, but here are few to look at.

 

Typical FIS SL ski: 165/13

Head Magnum 170/13.1

Head Rally 170/13.6

Dynastar CP 172/15

Stockli SX 170/15.6

 

SJ

Yeah, not sure what TR means when you get below 16 or so, but for a pure frontside ski, I'd take the 14.5-16.0 range of the hybrids over the 13-ish of the Supershapes (owned some). That radius works well, obviously, for a real SL, and can be a hoot with a softer flex to freeski on a smaller hill. Turn turn turn. Personally, I wish Head would make something like a Rally or Titan with 170 as the second of four lengths, flex tweaked accordingly, so potential buyers could chose a 177 with a low 15 something, or a 184 with a low 16 something. They used to believe in that idea. :dunnoIMO stability in and of itself is not the issue - a WC SL is quite stable at silly speeds, as is a Titan - but lack of length relative to skier height makes any ski pretty unforgiving in variable snow or bumps. If you're average male height or above, and want a real technique workout, freeski a women's SL fast in crud and forming bumps over ice. 

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