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Can We Save Them Doc? Damaged Salomon Scream Pilots

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Have had this pair of Salomon Scream Pilot 8's for not quite a decade.  The base on the skis are damaged as you can see below.  Couple questions:

 

1.  Could the deeper gouges near the edges be repaired? If so what would you recommend?

 

2.  Are they worth repairing?  Keep them as is for light cover days on the east coast?  Trash them?

 

Thanks for the all of the advice.

 

 

post #2 of 20

Sure fill the gouges with p-tex/edge grip p-tex, clean up the edges, wax 'em and they are a dedicated pair of rock skis. :)

 

www.tognar.com is a great place for supplies

post #3 of 20

Those edges look pretty pitted.  You'll need more than p-tex to repair those core shots.  P-tex won't hold there.  I give these a Thumbs Down  If they were some super cherished collectable make and model like an Olin Mark IV or The Ski I'd consider putting the effort required in to repairing them.  But, Scream 8's?  File the rust, Slather wax on them, scrape ans ski rocks or just plain scrap.  Not worth the effort to do the job right IMHO.

post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by crgildart View PostNot worth the effort to do the job right IMHO.

Or, the cost of the supplies needed which would likely well exceed the value of the skis. My response above was intended to be a bit tongue-in-cheek.

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post #6 of 20

I've fixed core shots that bad and the repairs held up fine. Worth doing if a) you love the skis and b) you already have the stuff and know-how to do it yourself.  It's probably too pricey to justify having a shop do it. Now if any of the edges are loose forget about it. 

post #7 of 20

they can be repaired fairly easily, but take time.

 

for core shots, we use 3.5mm base weld p-text meant for a base welding gun. it is alot thicker than regular t-tex candles and i usually heat it up with a heat gun to melt, then spackle it into the gouges. before you do that, take a razor blade and shape up the gouges so make them more uniform. properly done basewelds usually hold with no issues, however the larger they are, the more noticeable they become underfoot

post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks dictorenso.  So just to make sure I'm on the same page as you.

 

1.  Clean up, shape up gouges with the goal of creating a uniform surface.

 

2.  Fill bases / edges with a product like this:  http://www.tognar.com/metalgrip-repair-string-5-roll-clear-or-black/

 

Could I use this instead of a base welding gun?  http://www.tognar.com/tognar-p-tex-base-repair-iron-120v-us-can/

 

Thanks for the advice!

post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

hahaha -  nice one

 

The only thing those skis are good for, is to learn how to do base welds, otherwise its time to put them to rest.  I've thrown away skis in way better shape than those. haha

post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by cheechman32 View Post
 

 

Could I use this instead of a base welding gun?  http://www.tognar.com/tognar-p-tex-base-repair-iron-120v-us-can/

 

Thanks for the advice!

You'll need to use something better than standard p-tex along the metal edges and in gouges all the way through to the core.  P-tex only sticks to p-tex. 

 

Folks use Metal Grip for edge adjacent base repairs and core shot repairs.

 

http://www.racewax.com/p-242-metal-grip-ski-snowboard-base-repair-material-clear.aspx

post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 

What tool would you recommend to apply metal grip? Soldering iron?  Heat Gun?  P-tex iron?

post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by cheechman32 View Post
 

What tool would you recommend to apply metal grip? Soldering iron?  Heat Gun?  P-tex iron?

Metal scraper, vise grips, and an electric or gas stove.  Maybe I'll make a how-to video.  haha

 

But the best tool is a p-tex gun, just never feed metal grip into a ptex gun - use only the head to weld.

 

Its not the tool, but its how you use it.  The hard part is in the finishing.

post #13 of 20

Start with this Epicski Article Base Repair Options.  If you have questions we'll be glad to help.  For damage like you have, you need to be able to apply a base weld.  That requies some specialized tools, not a Ptex candle. 

 

FWIW, you can Ebay skis like these cheaper than buy the tools and materials for a proper repair, but once you have the tools, you're kinda set if it happens to a good pair.

post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by cheechman32 View Post
 

Thanks dictorenso.  So just to make sure I'm on the same page as you.

 

1.  Clean up, shape up gouges with the goal of creating a uniform surface.

 

2.  Fill bases / edges with a product like this:  http://www.tognar.com/metalgrip-repair-string-5-roll-clear-or-black/

 

Could I use this instead of a base welding gun?  http://www.tognar.com/tognar-p-tex-base-repair-iron-120v-us-can/

 

Thanks for the advice!

use the metal grip first where there is a core shot or a gouge along an edge but leave the metal grip below the surface of the base. Use ptex ribbon, not candle, to bring the repair up past the base and then shave it flush with the base. That repair iron is the one I use. A ptex gun is a lot more expensive and is more for shops that do a lot of repairs. I shave the repair flush with a sharp chisel and a metal scraper, because I have them and know how to keep sharp. a lot of people use a Surform rasp--I would use a curved one so you don.'t damage the surrounding base. 

 

Or tell your significant other than we all advised you the skis are unrepairable and dangerous to ski on and reluctantly you need new skis. Those skis are due to be retired.

post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thanks to everyone for their advice and the great reference on base repair.  Followed Oldgoat's advice and showed the wife this thread, going to do some new ski shopping!

post #16 of 20

I would use Tognar's soldering iron to put the base welds in.  I've got lots of their stuff.  Don't get too bent out of shape if the first try or two isn't perfect, as there is a learning curve for doing this.

 

Slidewright is another place to get this equipment, and they are an EpicSki sponsor too!

 

http://www.slidewright.com/ski-and-snowboard/bases/

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by cheechman32 View Post
 

Thanks to everyone for their advice and the great reference on base repair.  Followed Oldgoat's advice and showed the wife this thread, going to do some new ski shopping!

Have fun shopping! :)

post #18 of 20

Cheechman, good to hear it.  There are so many good skis out there, both new and used.  Enjoy your new pair of skis...whatever they may be.

 

T. - wasatchreport.com

post #19 of 20
Agree, why on earth would anyone waste time and money repairing those.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by cheechman32 View Post

Thanks to everyone for their advice and the great reference on base repair.  Followed Oldgoat's advice and showed the wife this thread, going to do some new ski shopping!


 



Please send those skis to me!


I want to show them to my wife too so I can buy new skis.
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