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Salomon STH 3D toe piece

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I don't wanna start a whole "who's bindings he best ever" war. I just have a question. Approaching 40, I think about my knees more than I used to and in considering binding technology - is there a legitimate claim to the "3D" movement allowed by an STH toe piece - or just hype. I've mostly purchased markers jester and griffon line cause I love the schizo adjustability. I've used the STH bindings before and performance is just fine. So I'd like to keep this discussion to the topic - which is elastic travel of the bindings. My guess is the FKS bindings have the most... But again the specific question is - do the STH bindings have a legit claim of more 3D elasticity? Thanks.
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I assume you are talking toe pieces. Over the years single pivot toes have show to have the most elasticity before release, the look/ Rossignol single pivot toe has 42mm of elasticity before it releases, the new Salomon sth2 toe has 52mm the highest claimed elasticity. Will either of these numbers guaranty you will not get injured? Of course not, to an extent , a high level binding is about confidence and what you have confidence in. I personally like a single pivot toe because I am confident that I don't have to crank it to a higher din to hold me in, knowing that the elasticity will not release me. Having the binding set at a 12 is all great when I am skiing a tight chute and knowing tht a release is more dangerous than the binding staying on but what scares me more is that 12 setting when I am skiing slower and might have a slow twisting fall and the binding cannot discern the difference. I can run a Salomon or look/Rossi toe lower and still have the confidence that they will hold me on and release when I need them to. YMMV.
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Excellent info Philpug! So, a follow up question. Is the only way to get a single pivot toe piece WITH the fore/aft adjustability of a schizo binding that I like to acquire STH bindings on a demo track?
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And philpug, So what kind of elastic travel do the marker jester and griffon toe pieces have?
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Excellent info Philpug! So, a follow up question. Is the only way to get a single pivot toe piece WITH the fore/aft adjustability of a schizo binding that I like to acquire STH bindings on a demo track?

No. There were older series that offered demo track options but I don't think there are any that are still indemnified plus they were pretty sloppy. If you see my quote in the Shizo thread... 

 

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I liken them to PIP (Picture in Picture) or 3D on a television, you use it for the first month, they forget about it. Sure some people will utilize them to the fullest, but they are few and far between. 

 

...I really think the ability to more fore and aft is an over rated feature anyway. Salomon's SmartTrak offers separate toe and heel adjustability but that is withe the Z toe that is not what you are looking for. Personally, I will sacrifice a bit of adjustability for a more solid interface between the boot/binding/ski. 

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Originally Posted by Skeebum View Post

And philpug, So what kind of elastic travel do the marker jester and griffon toe pieces have?

Marker does not publish that number, they tout a faster return to center which does have it's merits. One theory it not right or wrong, just where you have the most confidence. 

post #7 of 8
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When you say "more solid interface" are you implying that the "schizo" part of the binding is sloppy or that the marker bindings as a whole are less solid compared to an STH or just saying its more solid to just mount ANY good binding to the base without tracks and slides etc. And I know that "to each his own" - I'm not worried about hurting feelings. I really like to know people's preferences and learning more.
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When you say "more solid interface" are you implying that the "schizo" part of the binding is sloppy or that the marker bindings as a whole are less solid compared to an STH or just saying its more solid to just mount ANY good binding to the base without tracks and slides etc. And I know that "to each his own" - I'm not worried about hurting feelings. I really like to know people's preferences and learning more.

Yes. :)

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