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post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
 

Scott,

Obliged for your insight. I think that is exactly what I am looking for.

I have really enjoyed the MX 78's for their power and tenacity. On big, wide eastern groomers, they are inspiring and unflappable. And if I skied where and how I have for the past five decades, I can think of no better ride, especially with the VIST system. But over the past couple years, I have been expanding my terrain "quiver." Maine ski areas have been opening up some wonderful glades. I have dabbled in them with limited success. What makes the MX78's so great for me on fast groomers I found created challenges for me in tight spaces where nimble and slarveable is called for. I confess I do not yet have the skill set yet for these conditions - or the confidence. I have tried carving my way through a tight grove of Maine trees. I tried. I have also been hitting the bumps lately as well. Guess I was just getting a bit bored with the undeniable thrill of fast groomer carving. Again, the MX78's just do not like to go slow or nimbly, at least in the 176cm and my size (175 lbs/5'9). And that flat tail just wants to stay engaged which has kept me locked in when I just want them to let go.Frankly, I do not think my reflexes are what they once were either.

 

So I went to the Kastle ski finder tool and plugged in my data. Interesting that for downhill/expert in my size with 20%/30% powder, the only two skis recommended were the MX78's in 176cm (which I own) and the  FX84 in 184cm. For 40% powder, the FX 84 remains and the MX 83 and MX 88 are recommended. To the extent this tool reflects the company's own perspective, they consider the MX78 and FX84 most closely matched. This surprised me but not as much as the fact that they regard the FX84 to be more of a front side ski than the MX83 and MX88, particularly given the new tip rise, which I always associate with soft snow skis.

 

I also did  due diligence reading your reviews and many others who extol the virtues of the FX84 in bumps and in the terrain where I have found the MX78's a handful. The $399 deal at the Clymb made the decision as easy as it gets. So I just bought a pair in 176cm. Now that I have the Souls on the wide side and the Hart Phoenix carvers, I will sell the MX98's which I never bonded with. The MX78's will be much harder to part with. I am sure I will concoct a reason to keep them. I think this is a good 3-4 ski quiver for what I am likely to encounter here in Maine and on my pilgrimage back to Powder Mtn (Shhhhhh....) in February.

Scott, thanks again for your invaluable contributions to this site, and how you "enable" all of us so well.

David


I was in a similar situation as you. MX78 with the exact same issues as you, and a Soul 7 at the wide side (partially due to your initial review). I filled the middle hole with a Blizzard Mag 8.5ti. Definitely easier in bumps and off piste than the MX, probably due to both length and rocker. While I no longer feel I need the MX, I can't see parting with that Kastle feel so I think I'm just going to keep them despite the fact that they'd be an easy sale.

 

BTW, just spent a week at Big Sky and Bridger Bowl and the Soul 7's were perfect.

post #32 of 44
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 


I was in a similar situation as you. MX78 with the exact same issues as you, and a Soul 7 at the wide side (partially due to your initial review). I filled the middle hole with a Blizzard Mag 8.5ti. Definitely easier in bumps and off piste than the MX, probably due to both length and rocker. While I no longer feel I need the MX, I can't see parting with that Kastle feel so I think I'm just going to keep them despite the fact that they'd be an easy sale.

 

BTW, just spent a week at Big Sky and Bridger Bowl and the Soul 7's were perfect.

Nice. The Blizzard is a great ski. If the FX84's were not such a deal, I would definitely have looked at something in the Blizzard line. Have had the Argos, Cronus and Supersonic (?), in the past, as well as a shiny pair of fire truck red ones when I was a little boy.

Curious about your experience on the Souls in that terrain. How were the float, tree work and big bowl chops?

D1

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post #33 of 44
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
 

Indeed, Evan. Quite a deal.

I, too, have been giving the binding choice some thought. I am strongly considering slapping a VIST plate on it. If you are not familiar with the VIST plate system, it looks like this:

Kastle3.jpg

Basically, the plate is mounted on the ski. Bindings clip in and can be moved forward and back to taste with just the flick of a lever. The black plastic plate is a 4mm riser that fits seamlessly under the toe piece. Brilliant.

 

Have the same system on 4 pairs of skis; Stocki Laser SC, Laser SX, Stormrider XXL and Kastle BMX108. All with the same free flexing TT plates.  Makes dialing in yoru preferred mounting position a breeze.  And travelling with multiple pairs of skis is also a whole lot easier.

post #34 of 44
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post
 

 

Have the same system on 4 pairs of skis; Stocki Laser SC, Laser SX, Stormrider XXL and Kastle BMX108. All with the same free flexing TT plates.  Makes dialing in yoru preferred mounting position a breeze.  And travelling with multiple pairs of skis is also a whole lot easier.

You and I seem to be the VIST-men on this board. Every couple years the topic comes up again. It really is a brilliant system in so many ways, the convenience, the adjustability and quality. In an age when plastic in bindings rule, the VIST pieces are so robust. It is a shame that VIST has such a small footprint in the States. Their skis made by Blossom are splendid as well. But the "VIST chic" fashions would be limited to the Gorsuch set. But the bindings, and plates, set the standard for a system approach.

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post #35 of 44

What are the best site to buy these Vist bindings??? I'M having trouble finding a site with knowledge about differences between the different models...

post #36 of 44
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

What are the best site to buy these Vist bindings??? I'M having trouble finding a site with knowledge about differences between the different models...

 

 

Send a PM to dawgcatching, he doesn't deal with Vist directly but knows who the North American distributor is.

 

 

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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
 

You and I seem to be the VIST-men on this board. Every couple years the topic comes up again. It really is a brilliant system in so many ways, the convenience, the adjustability and quality.

 

Its a brilliant system and gets over the angst of where do I mount my skis......Though as much as I love my Vist bindings and Speedlock plates, I'm now more likely to be obsessing over the benefits of one tech (Dynafit) binding over another as I'm spending a lot more time out of bounds on AT skis.

post #37 of 44
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

What are the best site to buy these Vist bindings??? I'M having trouble finding a site with knowledge about differences between the different models...

I have done VIST business with these folks in Vt.: norsehouse.com

 

Mogsie, I am aware of a VIST connection in your home town.

PM coming to you.

D1


Edited by deliberate1 - 12/30/13 at 7:11pm
post #38 of 44

I think Norsehouse is the US Importer. I'd definitely start there.

post #39 of 44
Thread Starter 
As a follow-up to my original post, I received/mounted the skis in January and skied them a couple of times at Jiminy Peak in pretty good conditions. All I can say is WOW. The FX 84 are undoubtedly the finest skis I have every skied and match my skiing style perfectly. I am heading to Utah on Thursday where I will put them through their paces on more challenging terrain. I am very pleased.

Thank you all.
post #40 of 44

The fx serie definitly has a finesse feel.. it is like the kastle feel that the mx serie gives you but 3 notches over...

post #41 of 44

I just returned from Utah myself, Ultimatum. I will be very interested in your experiences there with that ski and under different snow conditions.

 

I am looking for a new mid-80's ski for all-mtn use while traveling, so please update us after your return.

 

Nick

post #42 of 44
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

The fx serie definitly has a finesse feel.. it is like the kastle feel that the mx serie gives you but 3 notches over...

I have and ski the MX 78 and now the last generation of FX84's.

Dispensing with the usual car analogies, lets go to 60's tv - Gilligan's Island, to be precise.

I would say that the 78's are like Ginger - all sexy and racy, a scantily clad top sheet with a stiff tip and tail. Get on them and you want to go faster and faster and faster. Just hold on for dear life.

But going slow, taking your time, maneuvering the bumps, so to speak, requires a measure of stamina and concentration that can be most tiring. 

On the other hand, the 84's are more like MaryAnn. Soft spoken and sweet. Willing and more willing. No matter the request or demand. Delving into deep snow, or frolicking around the bumps. Or making long elegant curves down a soft, pristine velvet carpet from top to bottom, there is nothing these skis can not and will not do. Let's say they have a naughty streak, like MaryAnn with a thong. All you have to do is ask nicely. If choosing between the two, I might suggest that the 78 is the one you date. And the 84 is the one you marry.

But then, I have both, because, well, why not. 

I need a cold shower.

D1

post #43 of 44

Mogsie:

If you have any left-over FX94 you plan to sell, keep me in mind !  :beercheer:

I'm still luvin' the MX78 I grabbed from you a couple months ago.

 

- Andy

post #44 of 44
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Originally Posted by deliberate1 View Post
 

I have and ski the MX 78 and now the last generation of FX84's.

Dispensing with the usual car analogies, lets go to 60's tv - Gilligan's Island, to be precise.

I would say that the 78's are like Ginger - all sexy and racy, a scantily clad top sheet with a stiff tip and tail. Get on them and you want to go faster and faster and faster. Just hold on for dear life.

But going slow, taking your time, maneuvering the bumps, so to speak, requires a measure of stamina and concentration that can be most tiring. 

On the other hand, the 84's are more like MaryAnn. Soft spoken and sweet. Willing and more willing. No matter the request or demand. Delving into deep snow, or frolicking around the bumps. Or making long elegant curves down a soft, pristine velvet carpet from top to bottom, there is nothing these skis can not and will not do. Let's say they have a naughty streak, like MaryAnn with a thong. All you have to do is ask nicely. If choosing between the two, I might suggest that the 78 is the one you date. And the 84 is the one you marry.

But then, I have both, because, well, why not. 

I need a cold shower.

D1

 

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Originally Posted by ARL67 View Post
 

Mogsie:

If you have any left-over FX94 you plan to sell, keep me in mind !  :beercheer:

I'm still luvin' the MX78 I grabbed from you a couple months ago.

 

- Andy

I just bought one pair with the skins and plan of having adrenalin13 on them... So let me ski them before selling them!;)

Glad you still like them! If you want something larger; I have a pair of Steadfast (flat) for sale... cheap...and maybe a mx88 depending of the fx94 and some others...

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