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post #151 of 212
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Originally Posted by contesstant View Post
 

OK, so next question: were you successful in getting the stuff moved around a little, or did it even get warm enough?

 

Not really. It was definitely a hotspot with the microwave, I didn't really want to warm it up any more. lol. 

 

It isn't the liner, I don't think. It's my footbed. I've used several different ones at this point, and chopped up another one today. It felt a little better, but the area around my heel is all swollen and irritated now, hard to tell what's what. Need to go to bootfitter. I think I'm pulling out my old, slightly larger shells tomorrow. 

post #152 of 212

I feel for you Susan - been there, done that.  I too have totally toasted a pair of ZipFits in a horrible microwave accident.  That OMfit material can get really hot really fast if you're not careful and up in smoke she goes.  Also, with my very first pair (when Sven was still recommending the microwave method) I was heating a ZipFit that still had the powerstrap installed (with the metal ring), well it turned out that the metal ring had a small chip in the protective paint and it ended up sparking and burning the side of the liner.

 

So, yeah, be careful out there folks when going at it alone.  Strange microwaves can clearly make odd bedfellows. ;)

post #153 of 212
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post
 

I find the discussion about ZipFit liners having short tongues perplexing.  I need to post some pics of my liners (with the boots on) and see if we can get a few others to do the same.  I don't find the tongues to be short at all, but I'm 5' 7".

 

 

Here is a picture (crappy one) of mine.  I have come to appreciate that it is not the tongue being short - it's the Zipfit actual liner being taller overall than the stock Nordica vs. the tongue

 

post #154 of 212

Had my World cup leather zip fits for 10 years. About time to replace them because the stitching is starting to fall apart.
 

I recommend taking off any straps if you have them.

I always stick my shells and liners under my floor heater as I drive up canyon.

I always put my liner on and then I step into my shells. Thus I don't displace the injection.

I don't take them off until my shells heat back up. That means that, yes, I often drive down canyon with my boots on.

When I take them off I pull out my liners with my feet. 

IMO nothing works like a zip fit. I struggled for years before getting mine. I have a wide forefoot and extremely small ankle. They are an awesome boot fit solution.

I reheat them every season. I also had a lot of extra cork injected into them. Love em.

post #155 of 212

So ... an update on my Zipfit saga. By the end of last season, I was skiing in all sorts of strange liner/boot combinations in attempts to alleviate the pain I was having in my left foot. Basically, I was a 25.5 foot in a 24.5 shell with a 23.5 liner, and it wasn't working.

 

Over summer, the irritation subsided, and when I started up skiing again (ok, tbh I never really stopped, but I used my AT boots during summer), I didn't even try the Zipfits. I had some old Intuitions reheated and worked on, but there still was not enough toe room; then I put some extra padding on a pair of race liners I had sitting around, and that worked for a while, but I still spent all day buckling and unbuckling and adjusting and fiddling and rarely getting everything just right. I went to Precision in Frisco to see if they could order some 24.5 Zipfits, and their rep was all out (and said the factory was too). So I kind of stopped thinking about it.

 

Then I was in Jackson Hole last week, and was browsing around JH Sports at the base, and noticed, hmmm, they are carrying Zipfits. I checked and they had 24.5s in stock, so I made an appointment with @Skiing-in-Jackson and returned to try them on. 

 

We went with the Gara SE, I believe, and he heated and squeezed and smushed stuff around, got my footbeds all set up, and I walked around and tried to get things all conformed. Was having quite a bit of pressure on the instep, so he ground down the zeppas just a touch, and sent me out skiing. 

 

I have been out three days (although not bell-to-bell days), and the instep pressure is the only thing that I feel. Just a bit, and it is getting better each time. I still can't quite buckle that buckle, which isn't a big deal except that my socks got wet yesterday. There is no more pain from the footbed, because, well, I guess this liner actually fits me. :-) 

 

And I love them. I definitely was trying to force the issue with the others last year ... they just didn't fit. I'm not sure that's why they sold that size to me, but I trusted what they put on my foot, and now I know better. (Luckily I think I found someone who can use my old ones, so I don't feel like it's such a stupid mistake.) But they ski great; I don't have to futz with anything all day. And I was getting quite the pump bump on my left heel, which hasn't been irritated at all since I got into the Zipfits, so that's good, too. I also feel like the cuff/tongue  is a little higher on this one than on my Granprix? Haven't checked yet, but that's my sense. 

post #156 of 212
Nothing to report except !@#$! that one of the heelside yank straps on the Gara managed to separate from the liner completely at 20 days use. 
post #157 of 212
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

So ... an update on my Zipfit saga. By the end of last season, I was skiing in all sorts of strange liner/boot combinations in attempts to alleviate the pain I was having in my left foot. Basically, I was a 25.5 foot in a 24.5 shell with a 23.5 liner, and it wasn't working.

Over summer, the irritation subsided, and when I started up skiing again (ok, tbh I never really stopped, but I used my AT boots during summer), I didn't even try the Zipfits. I had some old Intuitions reheated and worked on, but there still was not enough toe room; then I put some extra padding on a pair of race liners I had sitting around, and that worked for a while, but I still spent all day buckling and unbuckling and adjusting and fiddling and rarely getting everything just right. I went to Precision in Frisco to see if they could order some 24.5 Zipfits, and their rep was all out (and said the factory was too). So I kind of stopped thinking about it.

Then I was in Jackson Hole last week, and was browsing around JH Sports at the base, and noticed, hmmm, they are carrying Zipfits. I checked and they had 24.5s in stock, so I made an appointment with @Skiing-in-Jackson
 and returned to try them on. 

We went with the Gara SE, I believe, and he heated and squeezed and smushed stuff around, got my footbeds all set up, and I walked around and tried to get things all conformed. Was having quite a bit of pressure on the instep, so he ground down the zeppas just a touch, and sent me out skiing. 

I have been out three days (although not bell-to-bell days), and the instep pressure is the only thing that I feel. Just a bit, and it is getting better each time. I still can't quite buckle that buckle, which isn't a big deal except that my socks got wet yesterday. There is no more pain from the footbed, because, well, I guess this liner actually fits me. :-) 

And I love them. I definitely was trying to force the issue with the others last year ... they just didn't fit. I'm not sure that's why they sold that size to me, but I trusted what they put on my foot, and now I know better. (Luckily I think I found someone who can use my old ones, so I don't feel like it's such a stupid mistake.) But they ski great; I don't have to futz with anything all day. And I was getting quite the pump bump on my left heel, which hasn't been irritated at all since I got into the Zipfits, so that's good, too. I also feel like the cuff/tongue  is a little higher on this one than on my Granprix? Haven't checked yet, but that's my sense. 
Excellent! What was @skiininjackson's rec for further instep issues? Grind some boot or shave some liner?
post #158 of 212
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Excellent! What was @skiininjackson's rec for further instep issues? Grind some boot or shave some liner?

hmmm, I think he would have taken one more pass on the zeppa, not sure after that.

post #159 of 212
Well cgeib's got a spreader and a grinder. Let him have a go. It's got to be better than running down to Target.
Otherwise burn some sage, say a few chants, and go to a fitter??
Does that liner have a large window in the anke bend area?
post #160 of 212
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well cgeib's got a spreader and a grinder. Let him have a go. It's got to be better than running down to Target.
Otherwise burn some sage, say a few chants, and go to a fitter??
Does that liner have a large window in the anke bend area?

I dunno, man, I see geib and his sore feet too often, not sure I trust him. ;)  And I am not sure if there is a window, I will go look. 

post #161 of 212
Ha! My feet issues, boots, and trustworthiness (or lack thereof) are all mutually exclusive biggrin.gif
post #162 of 212
Thread Starter 
I flunked being able to make the Zips work for me, but I was trying to do it myself without the knowledge and experience of a fitter that understands how to make the product work. I had the Gara liner, and since this liner is slotted for plugs I did not think I would have any issues replacing the stock liners in my boots.

What I discovered was that the Gara liner was a lot thicker in the ankle area than the stock liner and I could not get the Zip in the shell unless I heated the shell up to make it pliable. I did not anticipate this and did not want to try and modify the cork -oil padding and try and make it fit and did not care to get a hot gear bag to try and get the liner in the shell.

I guess my point is don't expect fitting Zips to be an easy seamless process in an already stock liner tight shell fit. Great product though if you can make it work.
post #163 of 212
Great news - don't you love how the feel so locked in?

I'm - still in mine - could perhaps use a tweak or two - after 20 or so days still can't seem to alway get them all the way back in the shell to start. Basically ski them a couple runs , pop them out, put back in she'll and good to go. That and my middle toe can go numb (just that one). Will be in JH in a week so will get them sorted by skiing-in-jackson, I'm sure.
post #164 of 212
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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post

I flunked being able to make the Zips work for me, but I was trying to do it myself without the knowledge and experience of a fitter that understands how to make the product work. I had the Gara liner, and since this liner is slotted for plugs I did not think I would have any issues replacing the stock liners in my boots.

What I discovered was that the Gara liner was a lot thicker in the ankle area than the stock liner and I could not get the Zip in the shell unless I heated the shell up to make it pliable. I did not anticipate this and did not want to try and modify the cork -oil padding and try and make it fit and did not care to get a hot gear bag to try and get the liner in the shell.

I guess my point is don't expect fitting Zips to be an easy seamless process in an already stock liner tight shell fit. Great product though if you can make it work.

And this is exactly why it works for me (and others), because where the boot shell fits me well in forefoot and in length, I still had too much room in the ankle and heel. 

post #165 of 212
You think Precision in Frisco could suck some of the OM FIt material out of the top of the foot?
post #166 of 212
In Jackson now and contemplating a pair of Zipfits, who is the the person at JH sports to talk to? Thanks
James
post #167 of 212
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Originally Posted by Stoweit View Post

In Jackson now and contemplating a pair of Zipfits, who is the the person at JH sports to talk to? Thanks
James


Stephen McDonald.  Skiing-in-Jackson.

 

Mike

post #168 of 212
Thanks Mike,
Met Stephen this morning, ended up going with Intuition Power Wrap. Best boot work I've ever had, spent a lot of time talking about the process, then got a great mold. Skied a couple runs and I couldn't believe how well they fit. Super Stoked! Guy is an amazing boot fitter. If your in Jackson you should definitely stop into JH Sports and talk to him. biggrin.gif
post #169 of 212
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 
Nothing to report except !@#$! that one of the heelside yank straps on the Gara managed to separate from the liner completely at 20 days use. 

 

33 days status:

backside yank strap stitching


frontside stitching, same liner:


Edited by cantunamunch - 3/23/15 at 8:19pm
post #170 of 212

Do most Zipfit owners use the installed power strap? Just set up my Garas last night. The installed power strap seems to interfere with how I normally run my Booster strap. Just too much stuff trying to occupy the same space. 

post #171 of 212
Not using them here, except to hold jigs on the grid wall
post #172 of 212
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Do most Zipfit owners use the installed power strap? Just set up my Garas last night. The installed power strap seems to interfere with how I normally run my Booster strap. Just too much stuff trying to occupy the same space. 

I use the velcro strap on the zipfits as well as a booster strap over the liner (under the shell). That setup works well for me. I'm in Salomon XMax 120s. There's no interference or conflict between the two straps or any other part of the shell or liner.
post #173 of 212
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post

Do most Zipfit owners use the installed power strap? Just set up my Garas last night. The installed power strap seems to interfere with how I normally run my Booster strap. Just too much stuff trying to occupy the same space. 

I didn't use mine - also swapped that slider thing for plain laces. Ran booster between shell and Gara.
post #174 of 212

Thanks. I'm going to start without the strap, just the laces. As the liner breaks in, maybe I'll try it with the strap too. Right now the Zipfit strap wants to push my Booster strap up and out of the shell as I flex.

post #175 of 212
My next Zipfit project will be to fit Salomon pull lace kits - anyone tried this?
post #176 of 212
Anyone get severe pain at the very top corners of the tongue? I'm having flashbacks to my Scott Superhots of the '70's.

I'm sitting in the bar with a double IPA to numb the feeling in my shins.
post #177 of 212

Err...no.    I have taken a rubber mallet to that area before, on factory liners (*cough*Lange*cough*).   Never a Zipfit.

post #178 of 212
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post

Anyone get severe pain at the very top corners of the tongue? I'm having flashbacks to my Scott Superhots of the '70's.

I'm sitting in the bar with a double IPA to numb the feeling in my shins.


That sounds like "shin-bang."  

 

Shin-bnag means your shin is bruised from continuous banging into the top of the cuff/tongue.  If your cuffs had been snug against your shin all the way from the bend at the ankle up to the top of the tongue, then the pressures from skiing would have been distributed evenly along your entire shin.  If that had been the case today, you should have had no bruising and no pain, and you probably would have had better control over your skis.  Shin-bang is almost certain when the lower part of your shin doesn't contact the tongue as snugly as at the top.

 

Cuffs that are left too-loosely-buckled, or boots whose cuffs are built too wide in diameter for you to buckle them snugly all the way down, will cause shin-bang.  The un-obvious solution to shin-bang is NOT to loosen the cuffs; it's to tighten them so the pressure is distributed evenly from the top to the bottom of your shin.  This is counter-intuitive, so people who experience a little shin-bang often worsen the situation by loosening their buckles.  

 

If you cannot even up the pressure by buckling them tighter all the way down, maybe your calf is very wide at the top and your shin below is thin.  Or maybe the boot is too big in width or volume for your lower leg's anatomy.  Or maybe the boot is altogether too generously sized for both your foot and your lower leg.  

 

If the cuff alone is the problem, you can buy an insert to get the tongue snugger, like the "Eliminator."  Most ski shops carry these.

You can see a bootfitter (not a bootseller) to get professional adjustments made (usually not so expensive for this type of issue) if tightening the buckles doesn't work and you suspect your boots simply don't fit snugly enough.  If your boots turn out to be too big for your feet as well as for your shins, your skiing will improve immediately when you get snug fitting boots... in which case the $$ for new boots might be worth it.


Edited by LiquidFeet - 1/4/17 at 5:53pm
post #179 of 212
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Originally Posted by LiquidFeet View Post
 


That sounds like "shin-bang."  

 

Shin-bnag means your shin is bruised from continuous banging into the top of the cuff/tongue.  If your cuffs had been snug against your shin all the way from the bend at the ankle up to the top of the tongue, then the pressures from skiing would have been distributed evenly along your entire shin.  If that had been the case today, you should have had no bruising and no pain, and you probably would have had better control over your skis.  Shin-bang is almost certain when the lower part of your shin doesn't contact the tongue as snugly as at the top.

 

Cuffs that are left too-loosely-buckled, or boots whose cuffs are built too wide in diameter for you to buckle them snugly all the way down, will cause shin-bang.  The un-obvious solution to shin-bang is NOT to loosen the cuffs; it's to tighten them so the pressure is distributed evenly from the top to the bottom of your shin.  This is counter-intuitive, so people who experience a little shin-bang often worsen the situation by loosening their buckles.  

 

If you cannot even up the pressure by buckling them tighter all the way down, maybe your calf is very wide at the top and your shin below is thin.  Or maybe the boot is too big in width or volume for your lower leg's anatomy.  Or maybe the boot is altogether too generously sized for both your foot and your lower leg.  

 

If the cuff alone is the problem, you can buy an insert to get the tongue snugger, like the "Eliminator."  Most ski shops carry these.

You can see a bootfitter (not a bootseller) to get professional adjustments made (usually not so expensive for this type of issue) if tightening the buckles doesn't work and you suspect your boots simply don't fit snugly enough.  If your boots turn out to be too big for your feet as well as for your shins, your skiing will improve immediately when you get snug fitting boots... in which case the $$ for new boots might be worth it.

Food for thought.

 

These are 3 year old boots that fit perfectly with the stock liners. As the stock liners were shot, they were replaced with Zipfits recently. These are what are causing the pain. If what you suspect is true, I should be able to add more Omfit to the tongue to even out the pressure below. The boots were definitely tight around the top where it hurt. Between the Zipfit laces, strap and booster strap there was no movement up top. Not 100% sure about room below that. I have skinny shin area.

post #180 of 212

Then my guess, and probably yours too, is you need more cork in the lower part of the tongue.  

Of course, that's only a guess.  

I'm having some added to my ZipFits today, in one tongue down low and around one ankle; my bootfitter and I are sneaking up on this to avoid over-doing it.

Best of luck.

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