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Have a made a mistake buying these skis for my daughter? (too long?) [Ontario]

post #1 of 15
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First off, hi all this is my first post.  Second, here are the answers to the 5 questions:

 

1. We ski in southern Ontario with once a year trip to northern NY, so far all to whiteface in Lake Placid.

2. We ski mostly groomed runs.

3. We ski about 8-10 days a year

4. She is intermediate after 4 years of skiing (recently transitioned from some slide slipping between linked parallel turns on steeper slopes to properly linking parallel turns)

5. Height 5'4" weight 156lb.

 

Last year she skied on 130cm skis which were on the short side for her but I figured they were good enough to get through the season, which we got as a half back at a local ski shop.  This year the shop did not have anything in her size so I monitored craigslist/kijijji for sales as I do not want to buy new while she is growing.  Anyway to make a long story short nothing came up so we went to a play it again sports and picked up a 163cm Head Hot Thang with Tyrolia RFD 11 bindings which I know is longer than recommended however she is still growing fast and I figured she will grow into them and they would last a few years.  A bit of frustration of not finding anything played a role in going for these as well.  

 

Based on what I have been told at other ski shops and looking on line the commonly recommended length for her would be about 148-150cm.  Interestingly enough I noticed that on this site the recommendation is 151-175lb = 160cm which would make them slightly longer which I don't think is a big deal.  

 

So my question is, is 3-10cm longer than recommended length a bad idea or should she be okay with them?  I looked up reviews on the ski and I thought they would be a perfect match for her in terms of flexibility and short turn radius (14 IIRC) which would compensate for the extra length as from what I understand it's harder to exit a turn with longer skis.  The reviews indicate these skis are light weight, turn easy and ideal for someone under 200lbs.  

 

Now that I bought them she will try them and I hope she won't get frustrated with them.  I guess ultimately I'm just looking for reassurance that I haven't made a really bad decision in getting them.  

 

Cheers

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post #2 of 15
I'm not familiar with that ski, but I roughly match your daughter's stats, and I prefer lengths in the low 160's. I have one pair of 153's, and I regret not having waited for the longer ones to come available. They're okay, just not as stable at speed or fun as the 164's I demoed.

Has she ever rented a longer ski? If you're not sure, I'd recommend having her spend a few hours on something akin to the Heads to see how she feels on them.
post #3 of 15

The length itself is not a issue.  The jump from 130 to 163 is.  She may be getting away with stuff on her old 130 that she won't be able to get away with on the new ski, and that may convince her that the ski is too long; it's not too long if she knows what to do with it.

post #4 of 15
If you explain to her it will be different and she have to learn a couple things over (it will go quickly) and set the expectation that it won't be the same, she should be OK. I would also recommend starting out on an easy trail until she is used to the differences. Simple things like being in the lift line could make her feel clumsy.

She can ski that size ski. Little kids ski longer skis all the times; look at what race kids her age do with skis taller than they are. She just need to knows to be a little more patient with them. The better she skis, the easier time she'll have on the skis.

I'll throw in getting her in a lesson wouldn't be a bad idea either so I don't lose my union card wink.gif
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by Synmag View Post
 

First off, hi all this is my first post.  Second, here are the answers to the 5 questions:

 

1. We ski in southern Ontario with once a year trip to northern NY, so far all to whiteface in Lake Placid.

2. We ski mostly groomed runs.

3. We ski about 8-10 days a year

4. She is intermediate after 4 years of skiing (recently transitioned from some slide slipping between linked parallel turns on steeper slopes to properly linking parallel turns)

5. Height 5'4" weight 156lb.

 

Last year she skied on 130cm skis which were on the short side for her but I figured they were good enough to get through the season, which we got as a half back at a local ski shop.  This year the shop did not have anything in her size so I monitored craigslist/kijijji for sales as I do not want to buy new while she is growing.  Anyway to make a long story short nothing came up so we went to a play it again sports and picked up a 163cm Head Hot Thang with Tyrolia RFD 11 bindings which I know is longer than recommended however she is still growing fast and I figured she will grow into them and they would last a few years.  A bit of frustration of not finding anything played a role in going for these as well.  

 

Based on what I have been told at other ski shops and looking on line the commonly recommended length for her would be about 148-150cm.  Interestingly enough I noticed that on this site the recommendation is 151-175lb = 160cm which would make them slightly longer which I don't think is a big deal.  

 

So my question is, is 3-10cm longer than recommended length a bad idea or should she be okay with them?  I looked up reviews on the ski and I thought they would be a perfect match for her in terms of flexibility and short turn radius (14 IIRC) which would compensate for the extra length as from what I understand it's harder to exit a turn with longer skis.  The reviews indicate these skis are light weight, turn easy and ideal for someone under 200lbs.  

 

Now that I bought them she will try them and I hope she won't get frustrated with them.  I guess ultimately I'm just looking for reassurance that I haven't made a really bad decision in getting them.  

 

Cheers

Welcome to EpicSki!  A lesson is definitely useful when getting used to longer skis.  I typically bought skis long when my daughter was age 7-12 so that they would last a couple seasons.  She started at age 4.  She progressed from intermediate through advanced in those years, skiing 10-15 days locally plus a few days out west during spring break.  I always made her take a lesson in the first day or two.  Usually a group lesson in early season so rarely more than one other person in the lesson.  Sometimes full-day ski school because she liked skiing with other kids.

 

When long, the skis were just over her forehead.  Compared to her chin for the previous skis.  She had enough confidence that longer skis were not a problem.  Although sometimes an instructor would look at me funny because the skis seemed on the long side.  At our local hill, most parents don't ski or are barely intermediates.  Then they would see her make nice turns and stop worrying.

post #6 of 15
Where you ski, sharp edges are a must. If you got the ski at Play It Again, they almost certainly are in need of a good tune, unless they are new (and maybe even then). My two cents.
post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for responding.  We are having an ice storm here in the GTA with 300,000 homes without power.  I haven't had power all day.   It came back on an hour ago, tried replying and it went out again.  Fingers crossed this time....

 

I was thinking along those lines as mentioned, I was worried someone would reply saying what an irresponsible parent I am putting her on too long skis :).  

 

So, yeah she was in classes eight days for the first two years, then I was teaching her the following two with one day in class at Lake Placid.  I have already started managing her expectations.  The skis are definitely getting tuned, they are currently in the shop.  It looks like they haven't been used much however they probably spent most of their life in a garage as the edges are a bit rusty and where the skis meet at the two ends have rust coloring on them.  No gouging on the bottom and no scratches on the front top sheet, only minor scratches on the back of the top sheet.  

 

thanks again for your feedback. 

post #8 of 15

Synmag,

 

I suppose I could say your a horrible parent, but this would be overly critical and really, well, I don't believe it.  Just asking shows you care.   I'd generally agree with most, the length should be ok, your child should pick up to their length on some easy runs as it's a big change.   My kids got used to 10cm upgrades and normally skied em a bit short as it seemed to be easier for em but I think too that it really doesn't matter much with kids as they pick up on them quickly.  

 

My girls are close in height but a bit lighter and now ski 5 -10 cm shorter so it sounds a fine.   The only thing I can think may be time on ski's but as noted, some time up front on easier slopes will get her used to the size change.   If she takes a class, i'd try and give her a day ahead to get used to the length and trust the skis difference in feel.

 

hopefully your power is back on consistent! ..

 

 

Kids learn  quicker than adults so she'll likely be better than your best in a few years!

post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 

The length itself is not a issue.  The jump from 130 to 163 is.  She may be getting away with stuff on her old 130 that she won't be able to get away with on the new ski, and that may convince her that the ski is too long; it's not too long if she knows what to do with it.

I agree with this for the most part, with one caveat.  Its possible that she'll find the length to be more stable at speed, and its possible that she didn't make as much progress as she should have because the 130's were too short and made things a big squirrelly. 

 

With her stats she should be on a 160ish ski so a 163 isn't out of line based on stats and stated skill alone.  

All in all, it would have been better to get her to try something in a "step up" size but you can always take her out on the 163's and see how it goes, with the idea that you may need to snag a pair of demo skis if they are too long for her. 

 

RE:  Head Hot Thang

It should be a fine ski for her, if she's okay with the length as stated above. 

post #10 of 15

If that binding is a demo type binding you could have it moved forward of the line a bit maybe 1 cm that might let the skis turn a bit easier for her until she gets used to the length. Although I agree with others that she will adjust and that is about the right size ski for her

post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

Well I'm happy to report that we had our first ski day and it went well.  My biggest concern was the 23cm jump in length however I figured after a 10 month break she is not likely to remember exactly how they felt and she'd adjust quickly and that's exactly what happened.  At one point I asked her how were they different and I got a questioning look and she said there is no difference.

 

Thanks for your input and have a happy new year!

post #12 of 15

Learn how to wax them.  They will turn as if they are shorter.   Even a rub-on wax such as Swix F4 will help. 

post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

That's a good tip, I will look into it.  Thanks.

post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Synmag View Post
 

Well I'm happy to report that we had our first ski day and it went well.  My biggest concern was the 23cm jump in length however I figured after a 10 month break she is not likely to remember exactly how they felt and she'd adjust quickly and that's exactly what happened.  At one point I asked her how were they different and I got a questioning look and she said there is no difference.

 

Thanks for your input and have a happy new year!

Thumbs Up Thanks for reporting back!

 

My daughter thought it was great fun to help scrape her skis as a tween.  Would help with mine too. :)

post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 

Make that 33cm longer.  See, it's so much longer even I thought it was only 23cms until I did the math :).

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