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I often marvel at how terrible Welch is at Social media and marketing in general.   A post like the one above is so boneheaded it's hard to imagine their management let that go through.   I actually thought about reaching out to Welch to help drive their social media platform, as even on a volunteer basis I feel I could do better than whoever is running it now.


That Tweet was from Peter himself, only person to veto him is his Grandpa Leigh.

 

For years Vail did surveys with it's members, they still do a lot of them.  (I've never gotten a survey from Welch).  According to my friend who was heavily involved in the transition process, they did an initial evaluation, decided they wanted a Twin Cities resort, evaluated them on what they could get for the money.  Aston was number 1, and Afton was more than eager to sell when they approached them, so they never met nor seriously considered buying any other ski area.  Similar process for Brighton.  As part of the survey of Pass holders the question was in the survey what other Ski Resorts/Areas do you have a season pass at? (paraphrased), also what other areas do you regularly ski at but not have a pass.

 

So they had lots of data on how many Welch/Buck/Wild/etc. pass holders had an Epic pass of some sort over the years.

 

I love skiing at Welch, best terrain in the Twin Cities.  With my new job, and probably only skiing in the Twin Cities when I come back for holidays, and a few meetings I can't justify paying to ski at Welch anymore.

 

It isn't just Welch or the local areas affected by Vail Resorts actions, ski resorts all over the US and Canada are having to find competitive solutions.  I tried to set up a call between a former co-worker and Peter about adding Welch to the Max Pass, Peter never returned the call.  For $249 any Pass holder at Welch would have gotten up to 5 days of skiing at each of the 21 resorts that participate.  That would have been up to 105 days of skiing at other resorts in a year.  This would have added some real value, and all of the other resorts sell it as an add on for $249 to their regular pass.  (Some of the resorts include: Copper Mtn, Big Sky, Steamboat, Winter Park, Killington, and Crystal Mtn.)

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Yeah, one negative from the class at Welch was they didn't deliver on stuff they said they would do after class. Peter never uploaded the video's like he said he would and he never put in brushes for us to use.
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I often marvel at how terrible Welch is at Social media and marketing in general.   A post like the one above is so boneheaded it's hard to imagine their management let that go through.   I actually thought about reaching out to Welch to help drive their social media platform, as even on a volunteer basis I feel I could do better than whoever is running it now.


That Tweet was from Peter himself, only person to veto him is his Grandpa Leigh.

For years Vail did surveys with it's members, they still do a lot of them.  (I've never gotten a survey from Welch).  According to my friend who was heavily involved in the transition process, they did an initial evaluation, decided they wanted a Twin Cities resort, evaluated them on what they could get for the money.  Aston was number 1, and Afton was more than eager to sell when they approached them, so they never met nor seriously considered buying any other ski area.  Similar process for Brighton.  As part of the survey of Pass holders the question was in the survey what other Ski Resorts/Areas do you have a season pass at? (paraphrased), also what other areas do you regularly ski at but not have a pass.

So they had lots of data on how many Welch/Buck/Wild/etc. pass holders had an Epic pass of some sort over the years.

I love skiing at Welch, best terrain in the Twin Cities.  With my new job, and probably only skiing in the Twin Cities when I come back for holidays, and a few meetings I can't justify paying to ski at Welch anymore.

It isn't just Welch or the local areas affected by Vail Resorts actions, ski resorts all over the US and Canada are having to find competitive solutions.  I tried to set up a call between a former co-worker and Peter about adding Welch to the Max Pass, Peter never returned the call.  For $249 any Pass holder at Welch would have gotten up to 5 days of skiing at each of the 21 resorts that participate.  That would have been up to 105 days of skiing at other resorts in a year.  This would have added some real value, and all of the other resorts sell it as an add on for $249 to their regular pass.  (Some of the resorts include: Copper Mtn, Big Sky, Steamboat, Winter Park, Killington, and Crystal Mtn.)

Interesting insights and thanks for sharing. Assuming the owners of afton weren't hurting financially it seems to have been a win/win deal. If my memory serves me right it was an all cash deal which is tempting for anyone especially if it means the possibility of shaving few years from the retirment calendar for a business owner of any kind. Sure some benifits were also offered that were to good to turnd down if skiing is in your blood on a personal and professional level, epic pass for life or something along those lines is what first came to mind. If a stock offering was also in the deal they for sure done well in that aspect given the stock has almost doubled since the deal.

Be interesting if given the success they have had in such a short time they would consider buying buck hill and slapping lindsey vohns name on the marquee with big bright lights and marketing it as the 'lindsey vohn midwest ski racing camp'. Now this is totally selfish and wishfull thinking on my part since it would save me few bucks when i decide to lap buck for an hour or so instead of fighting mother nature while exercising around some lake in the winter.
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Yeah Afton did seem earier to sell and you could see that in the social media posting after the sale.  Best of all for their managment and ownership is that almost all of them kept jobs at the ski area as well.   Amy, the founders daughter (I believe) still has a lot of control over the operations there even after the sale.   

 

Vail may direct what goes on overall, but they don't run the day to day operations and don't want to.

 

 

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It isn't just Welch or the local areas affected by Vail Resorts actions, ski resorts all over the US and Canada are having to find competitive solutions.  I tried to set up a call between a former co-worker and Peter about adding Welch to the Max Pass, Peter never returned the call.  For $249 any Pass holder at Welch would have gotten up to 5 days of skiing at each of the 21 resorts that participate.  That would have been up to 105 days of skiing at other resorts in a year.  This would have added some real value, and all of the other resorts sell it as an add on for $249 to their regular pass.  (Some of the resorts include: Copper Mtn, Big Sky, Steamboat, Winter Park, Killington, and Crystal Mtn.)

 

This is the stuff I'm talking about with Welch.   How could they not want to at least look into some deal like this?   This seems to be a perfect offset to what Vail is offering with the Epic pass.   Welch is too busy posting 10,000 pictures of their new maintenance building that almost no one cares about.   

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Hopefully this will make the green runs on that side of the hill safer.  They are installing a tow rope in the new park so that people riding this section don;t need to ride the lift and do the green runs to access the park.  

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Yeah, the way the park riders needed to take that shorter 2 man lift and then cross over the green trail there to access the park never did seem safe.   This will make the park easier to lap,  Make the green beginners runs over there safer and make that side of the hill safer and more enjoyable overall.

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Question for MN folks . . . do you want to continue this thread for 2015-16 or have a new one?

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Im good either way and for whatever is easiest.
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Question for MN folks . . . do you want to continue this thread for 2015-16 or have a new one?

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Im good either way and for whatever is easiest.

Continuing this thread is easier for those of you who already know it exists because you've posted in it.  But creating a new thread with "2015-16" in the thread title is better for newbies and future lurkers.  If one of you started a new thread, this one can be locked with a final post that links to the new thread.  The more popular regional threads that get 30, 40, 50+ pages in a season are re-started annually.

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New skiing magazine has an article on mt bohemia for those interested.
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Continuing this thread is easier for those of you who already know it exists because you've posted in it.  But creating a new thread with "2015-16" in the thread title is better for newbies and future lurkers.  If one of you started a new thread, this one can be locked with a final post that links to the new thread.  The more popular regional threads that get 30, 40, 50+ pages in a season are re-started annually.

 

This.

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Continuing this thread is easier for those of you who already know it exists because you've posted in it.  But creating a new thread with "2015-16" in the thread title is better for newbies and future lurkers.  If one of you started a new thread, this one can be locked with a final post that links to the new thread.  The more popular regional threads that get 30, 40, 50+ pages in a season are re-started annually.

 

This.


@gregmerz : so which do you prefer?  1) continuing this thread or 2) starting a new one for the 2015-16 season, with "2015-16" in the thread title?

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@gregmerz : so which do you prefer?  1) continuing this thread or 2) starting a new one for the 2015-16 season, with "2015-16" in the thread title?

Starting a new one with current season in the title and a link to the old one in first post.

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@gregmerz : so which do you prefer?  1) continuing this thread or 2) starting a new one for the 2015-16 season, with "2015-16" in the thread title?

Starting a new one with current season in the title and a link to the old one in first post.

Go ahead and start the new 2015-16 thread for MN.  Doesn't really matter who starts it.  I'll take care of this old thread after I see the new one.

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Ready for the 2015-16 season in MN?  Or at least ready to talk about it? Go here . . .

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/142413/calling-all-minnesota-epicskiers-2015-2016

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