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Fischer Super Race SC or Head iSupershape Speed?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

After a long and extensive research on skis and listing though ads my choice has narrowed to those 2 models, Fischer being 160cm (2011) and Head 163cm (2012)
I am a lightweight (185cm tall, and 64kg) wannabe racer who is very athletic (I compete in XC MTB races and marathons, and run very well).
I tend to go fast and do slalom to GS turns mostly on iced surfaces, hardly ever go powder (No good slopes here at my area :P)
I am in a dilemma which ski to pick, there is a slight price advantage for the Head (20 euro)
I want a ski which will cut good on ice and allow for some mistakes but won't be easy to ski. I want the ski to make me correct my technic and make me work on my skiing.
I worry will the Head be too heavy in terms of ski weight for me, I heard someone who weights similarly say that it was too heavy for him.

I  come from 2008 Stockli Laser SL 166cm R13,3 skis who were good for me, but they don't have any life in them anymore after last season.
Could ski on them for 4-5 hours straight without getting too tired, so I don't think the 2 I'm picking are much stiffer/demanding.

Opinions? :)

post #2 of 29

If the Stockli Laser SL were good for you, why not buy a new pair? Stick to a short turn radius.

post #3 of 29
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Can't find them used (I'm buying used skis) and in the right size atm, they are pretty rare to find.
They are the same radius as the Head and similar as the Fischer.

 

post #4 of 29

The Fischer is a shorter turning ski than the Head, which is more of a GS cheater ski (and a good one).  If you're coming off a Laser SL you'll go closer with the Fischer, although they'll have a slightly different feel to the Stockli.

post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 

I'm kinda thinking I might need a ski with a bit more radius so I would do better GS turns than I did on the Stockli which I think was a pure Slalom ski.
Currently I'm leaning a bit towards Head, in a way that it might bring a (positive) change. It has that KERS chip too.

post #6 of 29

Ironically, the fischer "race" is further away from a race ski than the WC SC.  The WC SC is the SL side cut ski from Fischer you should be looking at if you want the same radius as your old SL skis.  If you want a longer radius, go with the Head i Supershape Speed.

post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by alexapi32 View Post
 

I'm kinda thinking I might need a ski with a bit more radius so I would do better GS turns than I did on the Stockli which I think was a pure Slalom ski.
Currently I'm leaning a bit towards Head, in a way that it might bring a (positive) change. It has that KERS chip too.

 

Hi.

 

Ghost is correct in that either the Race SC or the WC SC will be more like your Stocklis in turn radius, if not in feel. They're both worthy skis. I'm sure you'd have fun on the Heads if you ski someplace where there is room to let them run. Generally the Heads have a quieter, less lively personality.

 

I'm very close to your weight (but shorter) and fitness background. ( At least in the summer :rolleyes. ) I would toss in another possibility that is sort of "in between" these skis in terms of radius. The Blizzard Supersonic has been out there without significant change for five years. Therefore you should be able to find these used for a reasonable price. I've had a pair of these all that time and it's still the one pair I'm reluctant to sell every year when I think about pulling new blood into the quiver. They are very responsive, high-energy, grippy skis. A friend tried them and immediately went out and bought a pair. If you Google "epicski blizzard supersonic" you will see some reviews of this ski. It is well-liked by quite a few of us here. You could probably go with either the 167cm (based on your weight) or the 174 (based on your height), depending on whether you wanted to emphasizes quicker turns or stability. The "tone" of this ski is closer to the Fischers than that of the typical Head: A bit faster rebound with more feedback on snow texture.

post #8 of 29
Thread Starter 

Thank you for your answers.

Which one from these two do you think is more stiff?

I understand that the "race" version is actually less race-y, but is the difference big between WC SC and race SC?

No Blizzard Supersonic on the ad market currently :P

post #9 of 29

Not sure about the 2011, but previous versions were pretty close to the old RX8, which was a good step down from the WC SC, which fell into place right behind the SL.  IMHO, unless you spend a lot of time in bumps or skiing very slowly there is not reason no to just step up to the WC SC.  It's nothing like an unforgiving race ski.  Maybe, given what you said earlier about having a ski make you correct your mistakes you should go for the SL.  The SC won't punish you for bad movements (unless they are really bad), but it will reward you for good movements.

post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 

Will the Head be more demanding than the Fischer's?
What do you think about Atomic Supercross Ti 2011 (The green one), its much heavier in terms of weight than the Fischer.

post #11 of 29

Buying used? Buy the one in the best condition and that was taken care of the best. 

post #12 of 29
Thread Starter 

Bought Head Supershape non-speed 2010 version - 200 euro, on pair with Rossignol Radical R16 Carbon flex 110 boots for 100e
Both are practicaly new, barely used.

Pics ensue :)

post #13 of 29

You mean the iSupershape?  The slalom-esque version?  Red HEAD logo on white topsheets?  Nice ski.  [edit - actually, great ski]

 

For some strange reason I believe Head doesn't bring that one into the US.


Edited by sinbad7 - 12/23/13 at 5:07pm
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by alexapi32 View Post

Bought Head Supershape non-speed 2010 version - 200 euro, on pair with Rossignol Radical R16 Carbon flex 110 boots for 100e Both are practicaly new, barely used.
Pics ensue smile.gif

Flat out best ski ever made! Shocked you were able to find a used pair! Would not sell mine for 3x what I paid for them!

Enjoy!
post #15 of 29
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Flat out best ski ever made! Shocked you were able to find a used pair! Would not sell mine for 3x what I paid for them!

Enjoy!

Unfortunately, I did sell mine for about 2X. And kick myself most days. Can these still be found in Yrp? The actual, non-KERS, non-iSpeed version? 

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post #17 of 29
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http://goo.gl/qiHPvL - This guy has them in all sizes for 200e in good condition.
Although, I don't know how many of you are familiar with my country, Serbia.

post #18 of 29

Oh, I see.  The pre-KERS model.  Nice pick up.

 

I was thinking of the 2011 (and onwards) ski.

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 

They've got Tyrolia Sympro 120 bindings, which are "rental".

I've heard they are not the greatest, am I going to notice it much? They are in good shape.
 

post #20 of 29

Selling my MINT 2007 Original Head Supershape Speed in a 177cm 16.6M Radius with Tyrolia FF 17+ bindings. Immaculate. tuned to a gnat's ass. Have not skied on them in 2 or 3 seasons!

 

$300 + Shipping! 

 

Pm if interested

post #21 of 29

Mine have freeflex 14 which are outstanding.....I expect the rental bindings will be fine, but have not ski'd that model....the skis oth = ooo la la!

post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 

How much did you pay for the skis+bindings?
Are they the same model the skis?

post #23 of 29

My iSS are exactly the same ski, 170's. 

post #24 of 29
Trust me, When A Man indicates the skis are in excellent shape they will be almost new.
post #25 of 29
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Trust me, When A Man indicates the skis are in excellent shape they will be almost new.

I'll bet those would absolutely shread a Nastar course or even run ok in a beer league.....

 

Not in the market at the moment but sure would like to see pics of those rocket dogs......

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post #27 of 29

FOG!

 

(flat out gorgeous)

post #28 of 29
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FOG!

 

(flat out gorgeous)

Thank -you! 

 

And one reason I have not sold them sooner! A fantastic ski! And sharp looking too!

 

That stuff they put on the top is toatally bullet-proof, although A-,man never crosses his tips nor tails!:D

post #29 of 29
Thread Starter 

What year is that model?

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