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East coast skis for big dude

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Trying to help a buddy put together a demo list. I've read a few helpful threads on here for guys roughly his size, but it seems like there's a lot of debate on all-mountain vs. carving vs. racing skis. I think it'd be good to compile a couple in each of those categories so he can try them out and see what feels best.

 

SPECS

Height: 6'4

Weight: ~225

Skier type: Racing team in HS, pretty advanced. If he had it his way would be ripping long turns down steep groomers all day. He tends to stay out of the trees because it's too tight for his size/long skis. I think bumps are hard on his knees too.

Skis: Currently on Atomic racers from the HS days, 10+ years ago. He was looking to upgrade last year but then tore his meniscus before the season started (barf).

Location: New England, but looking to get out west occasionally.

 

Based on this I think his main criteria is something that is stable at high speed for a big dude, that is not too hard on the knees.

 

I'm also interested to hear about lengths, which may be a limiting factor. At that height/weight, plus skill level, plus potentially rockered skis, not sure which length to target or what's available on the longer side.

 

Any thoughts you have on best skis for this kind of skier profile, be they all-mountain, carving, racing, will be helpful to try to put together a good demo list.

 

Thanks guys.

post #2 of 17
Blizzard Brahma
Volkl Mantra
Kastle mx78, 83, and 88
Blizzard Ti 8.5
Nordica Firearrow, steadfast

...

Mike
post #3 of 17
This is easy,

Volkl Kendo in 184
Volkl Mantra in 184
Steadfast in 184

I'm betting the Kendo will win out. If he wants a wider ski go at least 107+ or even 115 for the powder we get. I'm looking at the Volkl Katana, IMO you want metal in a east coast powder ski.

Love my Gotama's but at 177cm and 107 waist, I could have used more ski this past Sunday in the 15".
Edited by Max Capacity - 12/17/13 at 9:57am
post #4 of 17
I'm 37, 6' & 200 lb, was a HS racer and currently race a beer league type of deal and am a single-digit NASTAR handicap. I race a 21 m WC Volkl Racetiger race stock ski and just hot a pair of leftover '13 Volkl Mantra 184 after waffling between the Mantra and the Kendo. I couldn't be happier. They definitely don't lack for edge grip and are lively enough to have fun carving up groomers and busting through crud. I was worried about the 98 mm waist, but am glad I went with the Mantra... They should be plenty versatile for anything I'll throw at them.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by en480c4 View Post

I'm 37, 6' & 200 lb, was a HS racer and currently race a beer league type of deal and am a single-digit NASTAR handicap. I race a 21 m WC Volkl Racetiger race stock ski and just hot a pair of leftover '13 Volkl Mantra 184 after waffling between the Mantra and the Kendo. I couldn't be happier. They definitely don't lack for edge grip and are lively enough to have fun carving up groomers and busting through crud. I was worried about the 98 mm waist, but am glad I went with the Mantra... They should be plenty versatile for anything I'll throw at them.

 




Agree if they are your only ski.

But I'm not convinced the 98 waist is the best choice for the east. OP didn't say where he skis. I like to have choices. But I have been on a 70mm waist ski untill the AC4 came out, had that for years and still have my AC40's. Got the Kendo's Feb 2011. So I'm not against a wide ski for every day.

My good buddy skis the Mantra at Okemo as his everyday ski. He had his wife try the Aura, the Nordica Black Pearl, 94MM (i think) and the Kenja. She chose the Kenja hands down over the others, she was replacing her K2 tuff lov's.
post #6 of 17
I wonder what terrain he would prefer to ski if he didn't feel limited by equipment needs?
post #7 of 17

OK......first off this guy is not that big. Not so that his size is a severely limiting factor in what he should choose. Before casting too wide of a net on ski models, it's probably best to get the guy to decide upon a category first. I'd suggest that he ski a dedicated frontside carver vs. a versatile frontsider in order to determine what category to be looking at. Then, he can sort through the multitude of stuff available in each.

 

Frontside specialty = roughly 72-78mm with an emphasis on hard packed snow. (Dynastar Course Pro, Rossi Pursuit, Head Rally.....etc)

 

Versatile Frontside = roughly 84-90mm with slightly less grip and dampening but more useful in shallow mixed snow. (Head Rev 85, Nordica Steadfast, Volkl Kendo,.......etc)

 

There are lots of skis in each category and if he sets the bar such that he wants to try everything, he'll be at it forever. If he can ski an example or two (at most) from each category an go back to back to back, he should be able to figure out which category will be best for him. The he can narrow his choices accordingly. After doing this, if can't at least tell the difference in the categories, then he's wasting his time and money with the demo process.

 

SJ

post #8 of 17
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There are lots of skis in each category and if he sets the bar such that he wants to try everything, he'll be at it forever. If he can ski an example or two (at most) from each category an go back to back to back, he should be able to figure out which category will be best for him. The he can narrow his choices accordingly. After doing this, if can't at least tell the difference in the categories, then he's wasting his time and money with the demo process.

 

SJ

 

Hi guys, sorry if I wasn't clear before - we're totally on the same page. I think it's best to figure out a couple standouts in each category and then try them out just to see what type of skis to target. A few threads on here mentioned race skis/"cheater" race skis, are there any models that come to mind in that category?

 

Good to hear that he will have plenty of options :)

 

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I wonder what terrain he would prefer to ski if he didn't feel limited by equipment needs?

 

That's actually a pretty fair point. Maybe we can get him to at least try some trees or bumps on the demo all-mountain skis and see if that makes a difference!

post #9 of 17
Just to throw in one more thought, what does he have boots ? Do they fit correctly ?
post #10 of 17

SuperBRO.

post #11 of 17

As an even bigger/heavier guy (~6'6", 275), I've currently got:

 

Dynastar Contact (beaten up teaching skis)

Fischer Progressor 9+

Head Rev 85 Pro

Head Rev 105

 

The Kastle MX 78/83 are often highly recommended if you like ripping it up with some versatility... just not cheap.

 

Dynastar keeps changing their frontside/race product line around, but the Speed Course Ti (the GS one, not the SL) is a relatively well-rounded 'cheater' race ski.  Haven't been on it myself, but if you want a 'race' type ski that has a more modern design and isn't totally punishing, that might be a good one to try.

 

Some other random things I've liked:

 

Head SuperShape Magnum (nice, but liked the Progressor better)

Dynastar Cham 107 (actually tried to buy these, deal fell through, got the Rev 105s instead...)

Fischer Watea 94 (bought blind at a ridiculous deal after demoing the next width down locally... good for soft snow/bumps, not stiff enough for hard snow for me)

Blizzard Bonafide (really really nice, but decided to go the 85/105 route instead of buying one pair of ~98s)

Rossignol Experience 88 (demoed, a little bland but solid)

 

I generally hate anything by Volkl with a passion.  Maybe I keep getting badly tuned demos or something, but they all feel completely dead and planky to me.  I know other people that love their Kendos, etc. -- YMMV.

post #12 of 17

 

 

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Originally Posted by Matthias99 View Post
 

As an even bigger/heavier guy (~6'6", 275), I've currently got:

 

Dynastar Contact (beaten up teaching skis)

Fischer Progressor 9+

Head Rev 85 Pro

Head Rev 105

 

The Kastle MX 78/83 are often highly recommended if you like ripping it up with some versatility... just not cheap.

 

Dynastar keeps changing their frontside/race product line around, but the Speed Course Ti (the GS one, not the SL) is a relatively well-rounded 'cheater' race ski.  Haven't been on it myself, but if you want a 'race' type ski that has a more modern design and isn't totally punishing, that might be a good one to try.

 

Some other random things I've liked:

 

Head SuperShape Magnum (nice, but liked the Progressor better)

Dynastar Cham 107 (actually tried to buy these, deal fell through, got the Rev 105s instead...)

Fischer Watea 94 (bought blind at a ridiculous deal after demoing the next width down locally... good for soft snow/bumps, not stiff enough for hard snow for me)

Blizzard Bonafide (really really nice, but decided to go the 85/105 route instead of buying one pair of ~98s)

Rossignol Experience 88 (demoed, a little bland but solid)

 

I generally hate anything by Volkl with a passion.  Maybe I keep getting badly tuned demos or something, but they all feel completely dead and planky to me.  I know other people that love their Kendos, etc. -- YMMV.

 

Matthias, you liked the Head 105? Interesting, as the 180+ lb guys seemed not to have liked it. What size are you in?

 

For the original post,

I'll throw in the Nordica FireArrow 84 EDT EVO (absurd name, I know). Looks like what Darth Vader's kid would ski on. (Not quite dark enough for the old man)

 

Pick up a lightly used pair since people are dumping it. Half the world hates it, the other half loves it. If you're in the love camp, you can get a deal on lightly used ones. It's an expensive ski since Darth insisted on every conceivable gizmo for his kid.

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

 

Matthias, you liked the Head 105? Interesting, as the 180+ lb guys seemed not to have liked it. What size are you in?

 

I haven't actually skied them yet!  :o

 

I really really liked the Rev 85, and on the basis of that, some reviews, and discussion with dawgcatching I picked up the 105 when I found one drastically on sale and could not seem to get my hands on the Cham 107 (which I really liked) at a decent price.  Pretty sure I got the 191.  Will try to report back once I have some time on snow with them.  :-)

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

 

Matthias, you liked the Head 105? Interesting, as the 180+ lb guys seemed not to have liked it. What size are you in?

 

I haven't actually skied them yet!  :o

 

I really really liked the Rev 85, and on the basis of that, some reviews, and discussion with dawgcatching I picked up the 105 when I found one drastically on sale and could not seem to get my hands on the Cham 107 (which I really liked) at a decent price.  Pretty sure I got the 191.  Will try to report back once I have some time on snow with them.  :-)

Very interesting. Post in this thread:

http://www.epicski.com/t/111310/2013-head-rev-105-ski

People seem to have liked it a lot better mounted + 2-3cm.

post #15 of 17

Regarding "cheater" GS skis they are not hard to buy, but may be a little tough to demo. Some are close to the real thing where others are not much different than a dedicated frontside carver. The Dynastar Course Pro is a little more ski than the average carver without being a butt kicker of a ski. Skis like that do require some technical skills which an ex high school racer may have anyway.

 

SJ

post #16 of 17

At 225, he's not big!!!! I was there 2 months ago!

I love the Dynastar speed course ti 2013 in 183 cm : really rip, smooth, super edge grip but can also do bumps, trees, crud, 3D snow and even after a storm (eastern storm). Not the same for 2014

Also like a lot the Nordica Fire Arrow 84 EDT in 177: really nice carver too but lot less versatile

Tried the Salomon Enduro XT 850 (177) last week end; liked them but would have much prefered the 184! They do have rocker

http://www.epicski.com/t/123953/my-demo-days-for-the-2013-14-season-enduro-crimson-and-others-to-come

 

The Kastle MX 78 ( in 178) and the RX 12 (in 176) are also really nice and solid but I like more pop at the end of the turns... (these are for sale...)

 

The Nordica Steadfast in 178:really solid but light for high speed in crud...

The Elan amphibio 88XTi in 178...nice all mountain carver, could go one notch longer too but not as solid in high speed

 

The head rev 85 pro in 178: felt like I overpowered it easily... would it be the same in longer lenght?

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