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What ski for me to replace an MX78?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

I'm a advanced (PSIA level 8/9 skier with PSIA level 1 cert) skier looking for a replacement for my MX78's.  I'm 5'11" and 185 pounds.  I want the ski for Colorado skiing on-piste and in hasn't snowed in a while conditions. I ski 50-75 days a year and expect to use this ski 25-50 days per season. Other skis I own are the old MX98 (with a flat tail), the BMX 128 (good only backcountry -- I used them in Kashmir last year), and the ski being replaced, a MX78 in 176.

 

I'm torn between the MX78 and a MX83.  My coach thinks I should go for the LX82, but when I skied his, I thought it a bit soft.  Of course, I do like the softness of the MX98...

 

My previous skis were a Volkl Mantra (loved that ski), as well as the Volkl AC4 and AC40.  I grew to hate the AC40 as I lost 50 lbs.

 

My preferred turn shape is now a short to medium radius turn, and I want the ski for groomers, bumps, trees, etc.  General all-mountain ripping is 6" or less.  I am strongly disposed to another Kastle.  I've tried a bunch of skis, including the Brahma, RTM, Experience 83, etc.  The only ski I kinda liked enough to consider buying was a Steadfast, but that overlaps with my current MX98.  So, what'd you all recommend, and in what length?

 

Mike

 
post #2 of 23

How about a Kastle RX? That was one of my favorites of the Kastle line.

post #3 of 23

Why not the MX 83? Doesn't get much better than that.

post #4 of 23

They are all good!  Comes down to length more than width, I would say.  As they get narrower (RX12 being the narrowest) they get progressively tweaked for more power and hard snow performance.  As they go wider, the tweaks are in the other direction (bit more tail rise, tip rise, flex changes) to enhance off-piste skiing. I think the MX78 is a bit more demanding than the 83 off-piste (both in length and it being a slightly more powerful ski) and is a better hard snow ski, all things considered. MX83 is as good a hard snow as exists in that width, though, and won't disappoint on groomers.  

post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
 

How about a Kastle RX? That was one of my favorites of the Kastle line.


Having skied with Mike a few times....

I can see Mike liking this ski a lot.

post #6 of 23

I found the MX 83 to be a bit more versatile than the MX 78, both in turn shape and terrain versatility. Both are excellent carvers, I just found the MX 83 came out on top in the fun factor.

post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks all. The RX is intriguing but perhaps a bit too much of a frontside ski. Perhaps next year?

If I go with the 83, what length would you suggest?
post #8 of 23

Hey Mike,

 

Based on your other ski lengths, I would probably say 173cm. Then again, it might be a little too short: the MX78 in 178 (really a 176) would be perfect.  Are you looking it to be more slalom-like and quicker?  If so, the 173cm MX83.  If you want it to feel identical in TR and edge engagement, the 173cm is going to be too quick.  One being 4cm shorter than the other makes a difference, for sure, but if you are up to a new feel, you would be happy with the 173cm as long as you are open to a quicker, more nimble ski. Stability will be comparable, it is just that you will be on the tip, flexing it, earlier than you would on the MX78 in 176/178. 

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

 

My previous skis were a Volkl Mantra (loved that ski), as well as the Volkl AC4 and AC40.  I grew to hate the AC40 as I lost 50 lbs.

 

My preferred turn shape is now a short to medium radius turn, and I want the ski for groomers, bumps, trees, etc.  General all-mountain ripping is 6" or less.  I am strongly disposed to another Kastle.  I've tried a bunch of skis, including the Brahma, RTM, Experience 83, etc.  The only ski I kinda liked enough to consider buying was a Steadfast, but that overlaps with my current MX98.  So, what'd you all recommend, and in what length?

 

 

Mike, here's a thought from the disposable ski side of the tracks: give the Volkl Kendo a spin in both a 170 and 177.

 

We are the same size and ski a lot of the same places.   I loved the Mantra and the AC30 - that was my quiver for a number of years.  Never liked the AC40/50, but didn't have 50lbs to lose (congrats!).  Then the Kendo came out and it replaced both the Mantra and AC30 for me.   The Kendo is just a good if not better ripping groomers as both, AND as good as the Mantra off-piste in almost all conditions.  I ski a lot of bumps and for me a 90 is the max width where I don't feel it's too slow edge-to-edge to ski a zipper line, but it's still wide enough for up to say 6 inches new.

 

On length: Go short!  You have the MX98 for softer snow, giving you the luxury of going shorter with this ski.  You'll really appreciate the shorter ski in the bumps.  I've been switching between a 170 and 177 Kendo depending on conditions (mostly at Copper).  I skied the 177 more than the 170, but I didn't have the 98 for softer days.  170 is so much less work in the bumps, great cruising, and just gives up float in pow and a little stability in crud.

 

I think a great CO quiver for a guy our size is a stiff 88@170,  a soft snow 98@180 and a pow ski of your choosing (optional).   That said, I'm trying to split the middle this year with a 177 Steadfast which is a little softer than the Kendo as my daily driver. 

post #10 of 23

Sounds like you're locked in to a Kastle (NTTAWWT); I just finished my first day on a pair of Stockli Laser ARs (since you're around that general price point anyway), and found them to be delightful - quicker turning (R~16; 175 cm) and more stable than my MX78s. 

post #11 of 23

Emphasizing my "go short" point above, regardless of what ski you buy.... I got caught on my 170 AC30 rock skis last week in unexpected waist deep pow as half the Jane opened for the year.   Completely wrong ski, but I still had a blast:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/122138/today-i-skied-community-daily-trip-report-2013-14-edition/30#post_1651278

 

Modern skis are so darn adaptable to different conditions.  I think a lot of people ski a lot longer and wider ski than they need to (and to their detriment), mostly for ego reasons.  I know I'm often guilty.  I used to think I needed a 184 Mantra and I hate that ski now.


Edited by tball - 12/14/13 at 8:07am
post #12 of 23

That's the one issue I had with the MX 83 that probably kept me from buying a pair. The 176 MX78 that I owned (thanks Dawg!) felt like it was borderline too short for my 210 lbs, so I wouldn't consider buying the MX 83 in the 173. And the next length up was a 183, which although I liked it a lot, made me question the wisdom of buying a frontside ski that long. However, I think my buddy Epic skied his MX 83's last season in the 173, and he was about 10 lbs lighter than I am, and a better skier. You may question why I think that a more skilled skier could be happier on a shorter ski, but I find that the longer length gives me an extra margin for error when it comes to fore/aft balance. But I think in the question of what would be the right length for the OP, the only choice in the MX 83 would be the 173.

post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone. I ordered a mx83 in 173. Perhaps I'll change my mind next week when I pick them up and go 183. I've been riding skis in the 170s since losing a substantial amount of weight. I do like the maneuverability of a 176 so it seems that a 173 is the way to go.

Mike
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
Tball, we need to find time to take some turns together.

Mike
post #15 of 23

Mike what are you doing with the mx 78, did you sell them? Are they beat? any life left? I know I shouldn't even have to ask that after the skis I have bought off various members , all have been mint to me. I might be interested.

post #16 of 23
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Mike what are you doing with the mx 78, did you sell them? Are they beat? any life left? I know I shouldn't even have to ask that after the skis I have bought off various members , all have been mint to me. I might be interested.

http://www.epicski.com/t/123759/kastle-mx-78-178-cm-plate-and-kti-15-bindings   if Mike wants to keep his...

post #17 of 23

I'd love to make some turns Mike!  Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to get too many days in this year.  I'll be mostly at Copper and MJ, looking to hit weekday storms about every other week which would be a great time to meet up.  I'll be at Copper a number of weekends too, but with the family so it's tough to know when I'll be skiing alone.  Oh yeah, I'll also be at A-basin the Friday before the mother's day gathering, plus trying to hit three other days with east wall openings with my four pack :D.   I suspect your plan for the year is quite a bit more interesting!

post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
Snowbowler, I'm replacing the 78's as the bases are now so thin that the shop will no longer repair them. They will now become my dedicated rock skis, which is virtually any day at Breckenridge skiing terrain.

Tball, let's keep an eye on storms. I'm spending a fair amount of time in Summit county though my focus will shift northward in January...

One last check for everyone -- one of my coaches thinks I should get the LX82 instead. He skis that ski as does his mentor, and both of them are in my weight range or heavier. I'm concerned about my weight for a light ski. What do you think?

Mike
post #19 of 23

Ok thanks, rocks, I thought it was all about snow in Co:) have a good year.

post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

Snowbowler, I'm replacing the 78's as the bases are now so thin that the shop will no longer repair them. They will now become my dedicated rock skis, which is virtually any day at Breckenridge skiing terrain.

Tball, let's keep an eye on storms. I'm spending a fair amount of time in Summit county though my focus will shift northward in January...

One last check for everyone -- one of my coaches thinks I should get the LX82 instead. He skis that ski as does his mentor, and both of them are in my weight range or heavier. I'm concerned about my weight for a light ski. What do you think?

Mike

 

I've never tried the LX82, but everyone loves it. The Kastle rep here is a BIG guy and former Collegiate racer and the LX worked juuust fine for him. SO while it is easier, I don't think you're gonna find it to be a noodle. On the other hand, you know you like the MX feel. I say get the 176 RX and the 173 MX83.

post #21 of 23

I had the lx 82 and at your size i don't think you would be to big for it.I thought it was a great ski,perfect build for most bump styles.You hear how smooth they are and they really are ; to me they always wanted to finish every  turn and I found that I really don't like finishing my turns so I put it out of it's misery and sold them,probably the most classy looking and performing ski that I have ever been on.

post #22 of 23

Hi Mike,

 

The LX82 is a fine ski; a great mid-weight, mid-flex ski, falls somewhere along the lines of what a Rossi E88 is designed to accomplish. I like it. Great in bumps, good carver, excellent in cruddy snow, nice and damp.  It doesn't have the super grip or top end of the MX series, but 90% of that, and is less demanding, especially in bumps.  If the LX92 had been made in a 179 or so, it would have been my go-to ski (it came in 174/184, neither of which were good sizes for me). The LX82 is very similar in performance, just narrower. 

post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks all. I'm sticking with the MX83 in a 173.

Mike
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