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post #91 of 98
Wait, they sold it for money???
After 50 years weren't they supposed to just donate it to the Indians?

Sounds like your view is it was a financially secure entity that could have afforded all these 20 year planned projects but was sold to get the money out now.

What's up with your Nick thing? There's no ski off required to be able to comment on the future of an area.
post #92 of 98


Thanks for the kind words, Tog. I think Iceage must have me confused with somebody else or he may be in a relationship with one of the Kircher brothers.

 

I just got back to Taos from a few days skiing Copper. Seems like a little more snow there. Copper offers an interesting perspective on the new management at Taos. At Copper, there are lots of parkies in the pipe and banging rails. Nastar is running. Kids are bouncing around all over the place at Woodward. I asked a few questions. All these activities were going full throttle during xmas holidays. Yet, at Taos, the park remains half built as of today and Nastar is still a no go. Taos has not become a more active place under the new management. Yes, the fireworks drew a big new-years crowd. For a brief moment there were actually lift lines. But  day to day mountain operation is just as drowsy and uninspired as ever. Maybe this is a good thing. There are many things that should never change at Taos, and drowsy atmosphere might be one. But I had students who wanted to race at Christmastime and wanted to jib ( ... or do something) to a rail.

 

Taos has always been rather laid back about ski activities. Seems as though racing gets started by about mid-February. The park gets finished by Feb. 1st.The old school hard core, of course,  could care less. But these creative activities help keep the bottleneck slopes less crowded. They improve skier technique and generate enthusiasm. This is missing at Taos. The "scene" is a tad stale.

 

Maybe the "hands off" attitude of the new management should be lauded. Perhaps we should fear too much energy in new directions. We must remember that they have done two really big things - that incredible new lift and an incredible new snowmaking system. But, Copper was a much more fun mountain to ski than Taos on two cloudy dismal days this week.

post #93 of 98
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Originally Posted by Nick Z Taos View Post
 


Thanks for the kind words, Tog. I think Iceage must have me confused with somebody else or he may be in a relationship with one of the Kircher brothers.

 

I just got back to Taos from a few days skiing Copper. Seems like a little more snow there. Copper offers an interesting perspective on the new management at Taos. At Copper, there are lots of parkies in the pipe and banging rails. Nastar is running. Kids are bouncing around all over the place at Woodward. I asked a few questions. All these activities were going full throttle during xmas holidays. Yet, at Taos, the park remains half built as of today and Nastar is still a no go. Taos has not become a more active place under the new management. Yes, the fireworks drew a big new-years crowd. For a brief moment there were actually lift lines. But  day to day mountain operation is just as drowsy and uninspired as ever. Maybe this is a good thing. There are many things that should never change at Taos, and drowsy atmosphere might be one. But I had students who wanted to race at Christmastime and wanted to jib ( ... or do something) to a rail.

 

Taos has always been rather laid back about ski activities. Seems as though racing gets started by about mid-February. The park gets finished by Feb. 1st.The old school hard core, of course,  could care less. But these creative activities help keep the bottleneck slopes less crowded. They improve skier technique and generate enthusiasm. This is missing at Taos. The "scene" is a tad stale.

 

Maybe the "hands off" attitude of the new management should be lauded. Perhaps we should fear too much energy in new directions. We must remember that they have done two really big things - that incredible new lift and an incredible new snowmaking system. But, Copper was a much more fun mountain to ski than Taos on two cloudy dismal days this week.

How is this any different from years past?  The park "scene" was always lacking and even in the last 7 years when they tried to get it going it was always tough. If you remember the park used to share with the nastar course and they always finished the park rather late. There was NEVER park or nastar available on christmas even on good snow years. 

 

I am not confused. 


Edited by iceage - 1/12/15 at 6:41pm
post #94 of 98

I live in Taos and ski there with a season pass. I am delighted that the place was sold to an enthusiast. Whether we like it or not, resorts (and towns) are either improving bit by bit or they are declining bit by bit. TSV is definitely improving, most visibly with the Kachina Peak Lift and the construction of the Blake at the base of Lift 1.

 

WRT the Kachina Peak chair, it seems like kind of an odd choice: on a mountain known for being challenging ("Taos: a four-letter word for 'steep'"), why spend huge sums to increase the black diamond area. Some locals say it is to increase the skiable acreage stats. Others say that having a lift there siphons traffic from the hike-to areas, and so is a good thing. One thing they did this year is make the KPL *less* accessible by forcing skiers to climb a bit to get to it. Ostensibly this was done to prevent the skiers who were ignoring the copious signage that the lift was for experts only.

 

I met the new CEO (lately of Stowe) on the lift during my ski week. He was dressed as a liftie; that alone endeared me to him.

 

Has anyone heard about what resorts are being added to Mountain Collective now that Whistler-Blackcomb has gone over to the Vail Group?

post #95 of 98
What's the deal with the airport expansion? As someone in the middle of a 17 hr travel day to NJ, that's what this place needs. It's a great mountain, but with travel times and suffering my first 100% mountain closed days (pure beginner lots don't count) in close to 15 trips "out west," I'm not jumping to go back. Maybe that's a good thing for the locals as I loved the fact there were zero lines mid-President's Week.

I think they do themselves a disservice with the Katchina warnings. I know it's relative, but the black versus double ratings on this mountain are all screwed up. Multiple blacks are more difficult than Main Street (and some other non Katrina doubles for that matter). I get that Patrol doesn't want to drag people down on a sled, but how is that different than any of the frontside runs that are 1600 ft of bumps?
post #96 of 98

I agree with you: Main Street is no more challenging than Al's Run, but it is a longer sled ride back to base for sure. The resort seemed to have too many people thinking "I've skied a groomed black run at Telluride and I can handle this" leading to injuries. The policy to further discourage people appeared necessary since people were ignoring the signage.

 

The new operations people seem to be very cautious. I recall one week this winter where they were detonating round the clock and couldn't force the slide management thought was imminent. I think Taos has one of the higher numbers of Known Avalanche Areas in the country.

 

The airport runway extension is waiting for springier weather for completion. A neighbor of mine has the contract for it, and I'm sure he'd like to finish it off. Whether or not commercial flights will ever find Taos an attractive destination is another matter. Santa Fe, the state capital with 7 times the population of Taos, has one commercial flight per day. Coupled with the cost of TSA establishing an outpost here, it may be a while until you can take a convenient flight from Newark. IIRC, Newark used to have daily service to ABQ but I believe that is now no longer the case.

 

In other news, they sent the operations people to Sno-Cat School, and it has paid off with better grooming on more slopes.

 

Sorry about the wind. If it's any comfort, it can be pretty uncomfortable to be skiing when it is blowing 30 knots plus. And yes, as a local, I appreciate the lack of lift lines, even on weekends!

post #97 of 98
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I live in Taos and ski there with a season pass. I am delighted that the place was sold to an enthusiast. Whether we like it or not, resorts (and towns) are either improving bit by bit or they are declining bit by bit. TSV is definitely improving, most visibly with the Kachina Peak Lift and the construction of the Blake at the base of Lift 1.

 

WRT the Kachina Peak chair, it seems like kind of an odd choice: on a mountain known for being challenging ("Taos: a four-letter word for 'steep'"), why spend huge sums to increase the black diamond area. Some locals say it is to increase the skiable acreage stats. Others say that having a lift there siphons traffic from the hike-to areas, and so is a good thing. One thing they did this year is make the KPL *less* accessible by forcing skiers to climb a bit to get to it. Ostensibly this was done to prevent the skiers who were ignoring the copious signage that the lift was for experts only.

 

I met the new CEO (lately of Stowe) on the lift during my ski week. He was dressed as a liftie; that alone endeared me to him.

 

Has anyone heard about what resorts are being added to Mountain Collective now that Whistler-Blackcomb has gone over to the Vail Group?


Welcome to EpicSki!  You added to a thread that hasn't been active since 2015.  Here's the current ongoing thread for Taos:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/147435/taos-ski-valley-2016-2017-ski-stoke-weather

 

For discussion about the MCP, check here:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/146012/mountain-collective-2016-17-14-destinations-including-whistler-stowe-telluride-alta-snowbird

 

I recently went to TSV for the first time.  Plan to return sooner rather than later. :)

post #98 of 98
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Originally Posted by goldsbar View Post

What's the deal with the airport expansion? As someone in the middle of a 17 hr travel day to NJ, that's what this place needs. It's a great mountain, but with travel times and suffering my first 100% mountain closed days (pure beginner lots don't count) in close to 15 trips "out west," I'm not jumping to go back. Maybe that's a good thing for the locals as I loved the fact there were zero lines mid-President's Week.

I think they do themselves a disservice with the Katchina warnings. I know it's relative, but the black versus double ratings on this mountain are all screwed up. Multiple blacks are more difficult than Main Street (and some other non Katrina doubles for that matter). I get that Patrol doesn't want to drag people down on a sled, but how is that different than any of the frontside runs that are 1600 ft of bumps?

 

Maybe you haven't hit many resorts that closed when Mother Nature is having a hissy fit. I have seen plenty of closures through the years at lots of different resorts and I am always glad I'm not on the hill that day. Trust me when I say mountain op don't close the mountain just to piss you off. They close it to keep you safe. 

 

They put up the Kachina lift so the tourist can brag about the 3K+ vertical resort they visited.

WRT to the warning for KKachina lift, No, Main Street is not any more difficult than most of the stuff in the lower front. They are more concern with the K chutes. If you ever have to perform CPR on some one that just died at the bottom of K4, your perspective on Kachina Peak's benignity may take a slight turn.        

 

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