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Is there a Corporate Connection between Volkl Skis and Fischer Boots?

post #1 of 13
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Despite the obvious corporate connection of Nordica and Tecnica Boots to Volkl skis it appears as though their sponsored athletes have opted almost universally to use Fischer Boots. Is there some reason that they should eschew Nordica and Tecnica in favour of Fischer? Not that the choice of Fischer boots is a strange one but it seems that if given a free choice of brands other than Nordica/Tecnica I would have expected to see a few more Langes (as Julia used) on Volkl athletes. Tanja Poutianen used to be on Volkl/Tecnica but I think Tecnica has since been paired with Blizzard. Since the change she's been in Fischer boots too.

post #2 of 13
I think for boots, fit is the key above anything else. And vacuum boots are easier to change shapes without much punch works, and the change is more accurate.
post #3 of 13
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Are the true World Cup Fischer boots vacuum? Salomon has a similar system but their WC plug boots are standard poly urethane. Also the real deal WC plug bootsl come with non DIN soles that need to be planed and trimmed etc. So are the WC Fischer boots Vacuum, or just look like Vacuum?

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I think for boots, fit is the key above anything else. And vacuum boots are easier to change shapes without much punch works, and the change is more accurate.

Julia has been in Lange since ever and now has been "switched" to HEAD probably not by her choice. Since the change her results have appeared to suffer.

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Are the true World Cup Fischer boots vacuum?

No ;) Real race boots from Fischer are not vacuum. As for why so many people use them, it's because most of people like them (most of these guys don't get paid (much) by Fischer as most of top athletes who get paid use whole set from Fischer, including skis). Pretty much everyone on tour like Fischer boots as one of best boot there is, that's why so many of them have them (of course those not tied to other producers, as it would be "a bit" weird to ski with Rossignol, Head, Atomic... and use Fischer boots :))

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No ;) Real race boots from Fischer are not vacuum. As for why so many people use them, it's because most of people like them (most of these guys don't get paid (much) by Fischer as most of top athletes who get paid use whole set from Fischer, including skis). Pretty much everyone on tour like Fischer boots as one of best boot there is, that's why so many of them have them (of course those not tied to other producers, as it would be "a bit" weird to ski with Rossignol, Head, Atomic... and use Fischer boots :))

But not weird to ski Volkl and use Fischer Boots ?

post #7 of 13

Volkl doesn't have their own boots ;)

post #8 of 13

Völkl is paired with Dalbello.

post #9 of 13
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Völkl is paired with Dalbello.

 

not in the USA. the connection for other parts of the world is only one of distribution. meaning sales and marketing to the retailer community.

 

besides not relevant to this discussion as Dalbello is no longer involved internationally in ski racing.

 

the reality of the boot choice argument on the World Cup is where the "triple threat" product bundling is possible it is enforced by the manufacturers through contract, and a ton of product tweaking and experimentation to get those products to work for a wide variety of different techniques and tactics. Including constant R & D to satisfy athletes with special needs. The top contracted athletes being the ones that get the most attention. The lower level athletes have to make do with what product and technology trickles down.

 

this is the process for Atomic, Rossignol, Dyn/Lange, Head, Salomon, Fischer, Nordica, and Blizz/Tec. 

 

for ski only companies like Volkl, Stockli, Elan, Hart (for Japan), their athletes have to independently test and choose a boot that will work for them. Some boot companies like Fischer are supporting some of these athletes with product and service. And there is Lange which has a long history in ski racing and great product that many athletes still seek out to ski on like Maze and Reisch.

 

bottom line on boots for ski racing, is the best athletes are only skiing on boots that work for them. Contract or no contract, triple threat supplier or independent.

 

jim

post #10 of 13

~~There are some good Italians on Volkls and in Fischers (Gross, Deville, Nani - Marsaglia). The choice of Volkl might be because it doesn´t seem to have the budget to develop fast DH and SG skis but still makes excellent SLs and the specialists get better conditions with Volkl than they would with the giants Head, Rossi, Atomic/Salomon.

 

I don´t know why Dalbello decided to develop the Scorpions including the 150 plug. Maybe the cooperation (or plans thereof) with Elan to offer them a plug?

 

Now it seems the plug is no longer officially available. Therefore I also doubt the company is in the ski pools of important federations like it is not in Italy: http://www.poolsciitalia.com/

post #11 of 13

Correction. Volkl still has some cooperation with Dalbello. The bootmaker is developing and testing plug boots with WC ambitions. Volkl financed preseason glacier camps of our (mediocre) racer (Vrablik, FIS Code:150495) because he is testing the boots. He should wear them in Kitzbuhel and Wengen combinations and at the Olympics.

 

The connection Volkl-Marker-Dalbello can be seen as a joint-logo: http://www.martinvrablik.cz/lyzovani/partneri-10001/

post #12 of 13

They did same thing 2 years ago when Trevor White moved from Fischer to Dalbello (getting back after injury with not really great results before injury didn't really made things easy with Fischer), and it didn't really work, as boots were complete crap. One of their service guys, actually onlyone they had for WC, got kicked out on the end of 2011/2012 season, so they were left without WC service, and White finished his career (he finished year in different boots) on end of 2011/12 too, so they were also left with no racers in April 2012. So personally I wouldn't really count Dalbello as serious player in race market.

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That´s what I thought. Nevertheless, I found an article in one of our newspapers about the Vrablik guy testing the boots. Whether there will be a reasonable result or just an attempt, stays open for me. It´s just a piece of info. Properly interested I could find out more but, frankly, I am not. Let´s see what they accomplish.

 

Garmont also looked like some big plug ambitions but I can´t see the boot anywhere in serious racing. There seems to be little chance for Rexxam as well without Niki Hosp and Rainer Schönfelder.

 

Btw, let´s remember old Alpinas of the 1990s...:) 

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