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post #31 of 45
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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post
 

A minor hijack, but, has anyone who skied the Firearrow EDT also spent some time on it's detuned brother the Firearrow Pro, and, be willing to comment on the differences? I demo'd the FA Pro for a few runs and was impressed with it's competence on firmer eastern snow.

@Living Proof if you mean this ski: http://2012.nordica.com/files/1280/FIRE_ARROW_80PRO_0A2042P5001.jpg

then I have indeed skied it a few days on January 2013 firm Sugarloaf ice (I was on the 2013 version in the longest size, 180-something with an ordinary demo shop tune). I too was impressed by its willingness to bite ice, given its width. And IMHO it's a very playful ski, ready to change turn shapes on the fly and snap back enjoyably from all sorts of carves. It's a wonderful ski, easy to bend, and much more reasonably priced than the FA84, and you'll likely have a lot of fun on it if you can get past the unbearably stupid paint job.

 

That said, the FA84 is a completely different ski from the 80 Pro. As far as I can tell, they share no DNA at all. They're united only by the fact that they both say Nordica on the topsheet. I think it was @Philpug who said a while ago that the graphics of the FA line are very explanatory. The FA80 Pro is a whimsical, lighthearted creature, and its goofy graphics reflect this. Conversely, the FA84 is a no-nonsense Darth Vader-esque ripping machine that takes no BS at all. The 80 Pro will forgive steering motions or weak counter, and it will bleed speed in a skid without complaint. But god help you if you consistently bring those eccentricities to the 84EDT; it finds your lack of faith disturbing. 

 

Altogether, the 84EDT seems to me a crossbreed between a Mantra and a cheater GS ski. The 80 Pro didn't remind me of any ski at all; I don't have a reference point for it (and I mean that in a good way. It's IMHO a pretty unusual ski).

post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post
 

I skied the 84 EDT a few weeks ago and came away with similar feelings.  The ski definitely felt like it needed some room to run, didn't feel particularly quick edge to edge (for being a carver), and didn't blow me away with its edge hold like it did for others (very good edge hold, but not INSANE like others have said). OTOH, I really did enjoy the skis flex, and found it to be a pretty versatile tool (loved it in brushed and carved turns). I can't say for sure but this ski does strike me as a ski that would excel in crud.

It's a crud blaster... Tremblant, end of the day after having a couple of inches of fresh snow: it will be a blast! But at the end of the day of a big storm, when it's not just piles anymore but a bumps field: gonna need more work!

post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

Wasn't actually referring to your comment, just the general view of these skis - that they're very stiff. It just not the case. You can feel them flex skiing off the lift. They have a good feel for the snow. Those top plates probably stiffen it up when you really crank things up, but the ski also functions at mellow speeds. It's interesting.

 

One thing that's fun with them at speed is to throw them sideways briefly, scrub a little speed, then steer them back on line. Very predictable response and confidence inspiring. In short/medium- schmedium, fast turns they like to be thrown to near max edge angle right away. You can definitely launch yourself into the next turn. it's fun.

 

These are tuned base .75-.5-.75 and side 2. 168 length. Wish they were the next size up.  I think the side should definitely be 3. The thing I just don't know is how these are in non groomed snow. I suspect the scow tip is meant to make sure they bend in something with depth. Also haven't tried in moguls really.

They are... not too stiff when skied on piste and firm snow... but they are too stiff when you ski them in fresh snow! It is doable because of the 84 mm but you can feel that it is not the ski for that...

post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by MTpowFiend View Post
 

@Living Proof if you mean this ski: http://2012.nordica.com/files/1280/FIRE_ARROW_80PRO_0A2042P5001.jpg

then I have indeed skied it a few days on January 2013 firm Sugarloaf ice (I was on the 2013 version in the longest size, 180-something with an ordinary demo shop tune). I too was impressed by its willingness to bite ice, given its width. And IMHO it's a very playful ski, ready to change turn shapes on the fly and snap back enjoyably from all sorts of carves. It's a wonderful ski, easy to bend, and much more reasonably priced than the FA84, and you'll likely have a lot of fun on it if you can get past the unbearably stupid paint job.

 

That said, the FA84 is a completely different ski from the 80 Pro. As far as I can tell, they share no DNA at all. They're united only by the fact that they both say Nordica on the topsheet. I think it was @Philpug who said a while ago that the graphics of the FA line are very explanatory. The FA80 Pro is a whimsical, lighthearted creature, and its goofy graphics reflect this. Conversely, the FA84 is a no-nonsense Darth Vader-esque ripping machine that takes no BS at all. The 80 Pro will forgive steering motions or weak counter, and it will bleed speed in a skid without complaint. But god help you if you consistently bring those eccentricities to the 84EDT; it finds your lack of faith disturbing. 

 

Altogether, the 84EDT seems to me a crossbreed between a Mantra and a cheater GS ski. The 80 Pro didn't remind me of any ski at all; I don't have a reference point for it (and I mean that in a good way. It's IMHO a pretty unusual ski).

 

I was not referring to last years FA 80 Pro, sorry for the confusion. In 2014, Nordica introduced a seemingly detuned version of the FA EDT. 

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/2014-nordica-fire-arrow-84-pro-evo

 

 

Philpug included it in his annual Steals and Deals thread and that's the main reason I demo'd it. Nice ski for me.

post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post

 

They are... not too stiff when skied on piste and firm snow... but they are too stiff when you ski them in fresh snow! It is doable because of the 84 mm but you can feel that it is not the ski for that...

So, doesn't it beg the question of what's the point of this ski if it's really only for groomers?

If that's the case, why not just get something narrower that's better on groomers? Serious question.

post #36 of 45

I'm kinda with you on that one Tog.  Nordica made a serious hard-snow beast with the FA84 EDT, but I've always wondered (especially since I skied them) why they didn't trim the waist just a tad.

post #37 of 45
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

So, doesn't it beg the question of what's the point of this ski if it's really only for groomers?

If that's the case, why not just get something narrower that's better on groomers? Serious question.

Good question! But where I can see a nice place for them is when the conditions are hardpack and icy under fresh snow ( couple of inches), soft groomed or any other situation where you know that it will end up with crud and deteriorated conditions... The 84 mm will permit to go thru all the changing conditions of the day better than a narrower ski and doing that while ripping hard!

post #38 of 45

Good point mogsie, and I think you're onto something.  I think that they were going for a hard snow ski that could handle crud/ chop/ a little bit of fresh snow that still was a powerhouse on the groomers.  Along the lines of a perfect EC Daily Driver.  Makes sense, IMO they just made it a little too hard snow oriented for my liking, given its width.  Just my opinion.

post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post
 

Good point mogsie, and I think you're onto something.  I think that they were going for a hard snow ski that could handle crud/ chop/ a little bit of fresh snow that still was a powerhouse on the groomers.  Along the lines of a perfect EC Daily Driver.  Makes sense, IMO they just made it a little too hard snow oriented for my liking, given its width.  Just my opinion.

I'm 50\50 on this, but at the same time, you have many choices if you want to go less hard snow oriented...they offer you the Fire Arrow 84 Pro...

post #40 of 45

Have not yet tried the 84 Pro, but from what I've heard I might really like it.  84 is still a bit wide for my liking though (for a frontside carver).

post #41 of 45

Well, you can have 2 frontside carver: a narrow one for hardpack  and a larger one for the situations I explain before...:rolleyes

post #42 of 45

True, unfortunately I can't quite afford that large of a quiver lol.

post #43 of 45

Yeah the FA 84 Edt evo may just be one of those skis you like and it doesn't quite make sense. The more I skied it the more I liked it. Was mainly groomed though with little stashes. On January 2014 New England Vintage Ice, - the good stuff, it wasn't all that impressive, but on more normal hardpack it is.

Definitely a fun ski. You can throw it out there at speed and it'll hold and won't fold up.

 

If you see a good deal on them go for it.

post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Well, you can have 2 frontside carver: a narrow one for hardpack  and a larger one for the situations I explain before...:rolleyes

This is what I do now. Add rock skis to the mix and you have a pretty solid EC quiver going on. Leave your powder skis in a friends garage in the West to save checked-bag fees. 

post #45 of 45
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I got to take the FA84s out in 6-8" of new snow today. I wouldn't call it powder, but it was cold and soft. I I skied the new snow over groom, over ungroomed and in the bumps. I could easily have skied Steadfasts or even Patrons today, but wanted to see how the FIrearrow works here. I was wondering if I'd find the square tip to be a problem when the ski is in rather than on the snow and I thought it worked just fine. I could feel the ski surging when crossing tracks, but I think that was boot and binding dragging just as much as it was the tip. The tip is so low that I don't think it really blocks that much snow anyway. Comparing to what I remember of the MX83, well, I wasn't wishing for them back, and in the steep bumps on Liftline they skied well. Later in the day I switched to my Katanas and really missed the camber when skiing bumps. Where I could be patient in the fallline on the FAs I felt that the Katana had to be steered because the tip did not engage. I could ski the bumps on those as well, but I could feel that I had to use my hips differently because of the reverse-camber. At lunch time a random person came up and gave me an unsolicited compliment on my bump skiing. If a ski can help you stand out under the lift at Stowe, it has to be doing something right. Bottomline - really looking forward to more bump skiing.

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