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Blizzard Magnum 8.5ti: why does nobody talk about this ski?

post #1 of 22
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I always wonder why this ski doesn't get more air time. Any ideas?  I was looking back at my notes last spring, I had it ranked way up there in terms of energy, grip on groomers, overall powerful feel, yet felt it was super suitable to any off-piste condition.  I don't know if it is a better ski than the Brahma, but it certainly is a more fun ski than the Brahma, w/o any loss in off-piste performance (I find the 8.5 more forgiving in bumps); it is just a sportier ski that aligns more with my skiing style.    There are probably 10 references to the Brahma to every one for the 8.5ti.  

 

I know I can't be the only one who really likes this ski, or finds it to a great all-mountain bias frontside ski.  

 

In this turn sequence (sketchy grooming, marbles over hardpack, and low light as well), I feel super confident that the ski will bite and release in a predictable manner.  I feel like I am drifing nicely at the top of the turn, then progressively setting up edge angle as I come into the fall line.  On a different ski with less confidence I would be drifting and not trusting the ski as much, but the Magnum 8.5 gives me a very progressive edge engagement and release, with excellent snow feel. 

 

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post #2 of 22

I like the pair I got from you folks last year quite a bit.  I got them towards the end of the season and only had them out a few days on E. coast groomers, but PLENTY of rip and grip, stable and seemed to handle what variable crud etc. that was around.

post #3 of 22
How do these compare with the Kastle mx83, anyone?
post #4 of 22

I like my 8.5ti's.  I skied them a lot at Stowe last year.  They're a good crud-buster, they're good in bumps, they're good on groomers.  I haven't been on mine yet this  season (not enough snowfall yet to need anything more than race carvers).  The only place I found where I really didn't like them was in knee-deep slush last Spring at A-Basin, but I think that was more the pilot than the skis.

 

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Originally Posted by kirkwoody View Post

How do these compare with the Kastle mx83, anyone?

 

I took the MX83's out for two runs over the weekend at a demo day.  MX83's, to me, felt like wide GS race skis, designed for wanting to chew up a lot of vertical in as few turns as possible.  8.5ti's feel more like they want to dance.

post #5 of 22

Marketing.  Brahma sounds cool and free, Magnum 8.5TI sounds technical and uptight.  Brahma sounds West coast, 8.5TI East coast.  I haven't seen the graphics on these models but I bet they reflect the same dichotomy.

post #6 of 22

Dear Marketing Dept, I have 8 point somethings but I can't even remember their freaking name!!!!! :D

post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
 

 

I took the MX83's out for two runs over the weekend at a demo day.  MX83's, to me, felt like wide GS race skis, designed for wanting to chew up a lot of vertical in as few turns as possible.  8.5ti's feel more like they want to dance.

 

Good analogy.  The MX83 is more of a powerhouse, I totally agree.  The 8.5ti, a bit more finesse oriented ski, perhaps has the edge in variable conditions.  MX83 if you are ripping groomers and pounding relatively light crud at speed.

post #8 of 22

Agree they don't get much press. But oddly, I see more Magnums back here than I do Brahmas, so not sure if graphics carry the day. Curious if the 8.5 - which seems to be very similar in design to the Brahma - will remain its firm snow version or simply fade away.

 

If former, some added product differentiation would be useful. Not to mention better graphics. Hey Blizzard, add a coupla mm, and call them the 8.7 Ti, with an early rise front but flat tail. You could try a less, uh, Dracula look, say a nice green and silver abstract design. Oh, that's right... :D 

post #9 of 22

I may be wrong here, but I can't seem to find the 8.5's on the Blizzard site? http://www.blizzard-ski.com/int/products/blizzard-ski.html

post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by smokee View Post
 

I may be wrong here, but I can't seem to find the 8.5's on the Blizzard site? http://www.blizzard-ski.com/int/products/blizzard-ski.html

 

Yep, doesn't seem to be on the international site, but it is on the USA site:

http://www.blizzardsportusa.com/Products/All-Mountain-/-Frontside/0104-12-MAGNUM-85FLT-BLK.html

post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by KevinF View Post
 

 

Yep, doesn't seem to be on the international site, but it is on the USA site:

http://www.blizzardsportusa.com/Products/All-Mountain-/-Frontside/0104-12-MAGNUM-85FLT-BLK.html

Good catch Kevin,  I'm such a dope that I didn't realize I was on the International site.  You would think the prices in euros would tip me off...

post #12 of 22

I bought mine last season after Dawg's initial review. In that thread I asked if they were worth replacing my MX 78's for. I was told not to bother.  Found a killer deal that I couldn't pass up, so now I own both.

 

I like the 8.5 better on most days, especially in the bumps, but plan to keep the MX's because they are just so much fun to ski fast on. I haven't had the 8.5's out on a truly icy day, but I'm pretty sure I'd prefer the MX in those conditions. 

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

I bought mine last season after Dawg's initial review. In that thread I asked if they were worth replacing my MX 78's for. I was told not to bother.  Found a killer deal that I couldn't pass up, so now I own both.

 

I like the 8.5 better on most days, especially in the bumps, but plan to keep the MX's because they are just so much fun to ski fast on. I haven't had the 8.5's out on a truly icy day, but I'm pretty sure I'd prefer the MX in those conditions. 

What length are you skiing for on both?  176cm MX78 skis a lot longer than 174cm 8.5ti.  Feels a good 5cm longer, minimum. That is because it is, when you take into account running length. 

post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

What length are you skiing for on both?  176cm MX78 skis a lot longer than 174cm 8.5ti.  Feels a good 5cm longer, minimum. That is because it is, when you take into account running length. 


Yea, I'm on the 176 MX78 and 174 8.5ti. Didn't feel right going longer on the 8.5 for my skiing. Haven't regretted that choice at all. Plenty stable at speed, but the MX is so stable at speed it can get scary.

 

So in the never ending search for my perfect ski, what ski combines the two?  I like that silky stable MX feel, but with a tail of the 8.5 as I find the square tail of the MX hangs up too much in bumps. I'm sure that is all my lack of skill, but it has never stopped my before from buying a ski rather than some lessons.

post #15 of 22

I posted a review last year. turns out I like the old 8.7 better and as well the new brahmas. more fun is in the eye of the beholder. to me the 8.5 force me to slow down around people because anything other than than pure carved turn felt sketchy and couldnt charge off trail as hard. to me the 8.5ti felt like it wanted to turn me where as I turn my brahmas.

post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

I always wonder why this ski doesn't get more air time. Any ideas?  I was looking back at my notes last spring, I had it ranked way up there in terms of energy, grip on groomers, overall powerful feel, yet felt it was super suitable to any off-piste condition.  I don't know if it is a better ski than the Brahma, but it certainly is a more fun ski than the Brahma, w/o any loss in off-piste performance (I find the 8.5 more forgiving in bumps); it is just a sportier ski that aligns more with my skiing style.    There are probably 10 references to the Brahma to every one for the 8.5ti.  

 

I know I can't be the only one who really likes this ski, or finds it to a great all-mountain bias frontside ski.  

 

Hi! Skied the 2012 M-Power yesterday... Nice skis! 

 

There is a 2013 magnum 8.5 with the short piston binding and  a 2013 m power fs ( both 181 for me at 210 pounds ) that I could get for a good price to complete my speed course ti in larger format for a mix ( around here) of groomed, eastern  icy spots and hardpack ,  bumps, skied out (or not) trees, steeps, crud,etc...  I tried the 2011 m power fs and liked it a lot in all those condtions but maybe would prefer a little less stiff for bumps and a little less heavy for fresh snow... I've heard that the 2013 was a little less stiff and it feels a little less heavy... wich one could be interesting for me??? Or the old mag 8.7???

 

 

Have you tried the 2013 m power fs? Blizzard has nice skis but they only put their freeride collection upfront... The rest is in the dark shadow of the bonafide, brahma and cie... Too bad!


Edited by mogsie - 12/22/13 at 12:19pm
post #17 of 22

part 2: did you notice that the mag 8.5 is not even on their website?

post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

part 2: did you notice that the mag 8.5 is not even on their website?

 

It's on the US Blizzard website.

 

www.blizzardsportsusa.com

 

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post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post

 

 

Have you tried the 2013 m power fs? Blizzard has nice skis but they only put their freeride collection upfront... The rest is in the dark shadow of the bonafide, brahma and cie... Too bad!

 

The old 2012 M-power was a bit too beefy for me, and the rep did not have a 2013 sample.  I skied the narrower M-power 7.2 recently, and yes, it is an incredible ski, but stiffness is really best for hard snow and bigger skiers.  For all-mountain, I would lean toward the softer 8.5ti.  It just seems like the M-power would be more ski than I would personally want in the bumps!

post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
 

 

It's on the US Blizzard website.

 

www.blizzardsportsusa.com

 

All mountain/frontside

Ok so this is strange... their usa website is completly apart from the others... If you go on their international site, you'll see that you can choose canada ( french or english) , polish or osterrich... and no trace of the Magnum 8.5 in this site! But they sell it in Canada...

 

http://www.blizzard-ski.com/int/home.html

post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

 

The old 2012 M-power was a bit too beefy for me, and the rep did not have a 2013 sample.  I skied the narrower M-power 7.2 recently, and yes, it is an incredible ski, but stiffness is really best for hard snow and bigger skiers.  For all-mountain, I would lean toward the softer 8.5ti.  It just seems like the M-power would be more ski than I would personally want in the bumps!

At the shop they said that they talked about it with the rep and he didn't encourage the m-power for someone who liked the bumps... I'm afraid I'll find the mag 8.5 too soft for the rest...

post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

I posted a review last year. turns out I like the old 8.7 better and as well the new brahmas. more fun is in the eye of the beholder. to me the 8.5 force me to slow down around people because anything other than than pure carved turn felt sketchy and couldnt charge off trail as hard. to me the 8.5ti felt like it wanted to turn me where as I turn my brahmas.

 

Could you elaborate more between the 8.7 and the 8.5? Did you ski both in bumps and trees also?

BTW, after reading your thread about the Patron in trees and after having tried it on groomed ( nothing else to ski that day...), I decided to buy one and see...

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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

 

The old 2012 M-power was a bit too beefy for me, and the rep did not have a 2013 sample.  I skied the narrower M-power 7.2 recently, and yes, it is an incredible ski, but stiffness is really best for hard snow and bigger skiers.  For all-mountain, I would lean toward the softer 8.5ti.  It just seems like the M-power would be more ski than I would personally want in the bumps!

About the 8.5 and mostly about the suspension system... If I had a 8.5 with the full suspension ( the 8.5 M-Power), a 8.5 with the (small) suspension and a 8.5 with no suspension... What would you say be the difference  ( in % I guess) in term of rebound and power???

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