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post #61 of 126
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Originally Posted by radu View Post
 

I read all your posts from the beginning!and thank you for the expert advice!But the 84 mil.under boot is not too wide for good ice grip?

Not this ski, the grip is tenuous. 

post #62 of 126
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
 

Not this ski, the grip is tenuous. 

tenuous?

post #63 of 126
Tenacious. smile.gif
post #64 of 126
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I read all your posts from the beginning!and thank you for the expert advice!But the 84 mil.under boot is not too wide for good ice grip?
This is the only nordica model with the "extended 'edt plate.They have also a78 mm. wide firearrow .Could be an option?

Not the same ski. The 84 is a machine. Not to toot my own horn, but I think you're getting very good advice from Phil and I on this one... the spelling, not so much. smile.gif If you're worried about the width and want turny, get a FIS SL ski. The Nordica cheater GS is nice. The cheater SL is a bit soft in the forebody for my tastes for that type of ski.
post #65 of 126
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Originally Posted by radu View Post

I read all your posts from the beginning!and thank you for the expert advice!But the 84 mil.under boot is not too wide for good ice grip?
This is the only nordica model with the "extended 'edt plate.They have also a78 mm. wide firearrow .Could be an option?

Not the same ski. The 84 is a machine. Not to toot my own horn, but I think you're getting very good advice from Phil and I on this one... the spelling, not so much. smile.gif If you're worried about the width and want turny, get a FIS SL ski. The Nordica cheater GS is nice. The cheater SL is a bit soft in the forebody for my tastes for that type of ski.

It was spelled correct, just wrong word.  Damn spell check. 

post #66 of 126
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It was spelled correct, just wrong word.  Damn spell check. 

Butt, butt.... Butt!
post #67 of 126

Ok, I was lazy and didn't read the thread ... so I didn't think that was what you meant, but it was possible. or not? 

post #68 of 126
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Ok, I was lazy and didn't read the thread ... so I didn't think that was what you meant, but it was possible. or not? 
Something here is tenuous but I don't think it's the ski.
post #69 of 126
Your on the write track, Seg. smile.gif ( auto spell fahts r fun,)
post #70 of 126

so the nordica firearrow 84 edt 2013 is the same ski as nordica 84 edt 2914?

post #71 of 126

Well I don't think we can know for sure what the skis will look like in 2914...But it started my imagination...:D

 

To answer your question: since it came out, I'm pretty sure that they went unchanged except for the cosmetic...

post #72 of 126

2014,sorry.

post #73 of 126

I'm a 5'3", 155lb male.  Upper intermediate skier still trying to improve everyday, skiing mostly groomed Northeastern trails, along with some bumps and typical crud.   I currently ski the Atomic D2 VF 75 at 156cm length - the 2011 version without the tip rocker found in later versions.  Can anyone comment on what I might be gaining (or loosing) from moving to the Supershape Rally?

post #74 of 126
Gaining a nice new pair of skis? Losing an old pair? smile.gif
post #75 of 126

Sorry, not giving up my VF75's just yet.   Just trying to figure out what the main differences are between them and the Heads (forgiveness, ability to ease progression to higher level, etc.).

post #76 of 126
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Sorry, not giving up my VF75's just yet.   Just trying to figure out what the main differences are between them and the Heads (forgiveness, ability to ease progression to higher level, etc.).

More. More better, More fun, More precision..just more. 

post #77 of 126

Phil,

 

Thanks for the quick reply.  To confirm, would you say that the Rally is more forgiving as well?  What about turn initiation?   Sometimes I feel as if I don't have complete control over my VF75's if I let my guard down just a little (if that makes sense).  Again, I'm not an advanced skier, but eager to progress.

 

Also, given my height (5'3") and weight (155 lbs), would you advise on the 156cm height?

 

Thanks again!

post #78 of 126
The rally isn't a race ski, but it still rewards someone 'leading' the ski rather than standing on it and wriggling down the hill. A true race ski will kick a lazy skier in the teeth. Performance skis will and should always require a bit of attention. It's a very small concession to huge amounts of fun. Buy them, strap'em on, have fun, and repeat. A lot.
post #79 of 126
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Phil,

 

Thanks for the quick reply.  To confirm, would you say that the Rally is more forgiving as well?  What about turn initiation?   Sometimes I feel as if I don't have complete control over my VF75's if I let my guard down just a little (if that makes sense).  Again, I'm not an advanced skier, but eager to progress.

 

Also, given my height (5'3") and weight (155 lbs), would you advise on the 156cm height?

 

Thanks again!

I do think it is more forgiving than the VF with its double deck which makes it a bit stiffer. I do think the 156 will be fine for you if you are skiing the VF in the 156, I think the shape is much better. 

post #80 of 126

Philpug,

 

How would you compare the Fischer 800 or 900 to the Rally, keeping in mind that I'm coming from a VF75 and looking for a more forgiving ski? 

 

Thanks again.

post #81 of 126
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Originally Posted by njdiver85 View Post
 

Philpug,

 

How would you compare the Fischer 800 or 900 to the Rally, keeping in mind that I'm coming from a VF75 and looking for a more forgiving ski? 

 

Thanks again.

 

The Fischers are nice and a viable alternative to the Rally, they work. IMHO they are close enough to say you are splitting hairs. 

post #82 of 126

The Progressor 900 is pretty close to the Rally.  The 800 is a notch down in performance but a good alternative for lighter skiers.  I am about your weight but a bit taller (5'7") and just retired a pair of Progressor 8+ that I had put 150+ days on in Vermont.  Based on my very positive experience with the P8+ I would think you'd be happy with either the P900 or P800. 

post #83 of 126
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I do think it is more forgiving than the VF with its double deck which makes it a bit stiffer. I do think the 156 will be fine for you if you are skiing the VF in the 156, I think the shape is much better. 

Got the chance to demo a brand new pair of  Rallys yesterday.  Spent the entire day, with some back and forth switching between them and my VF75's.   Really liked the Rallys a lot better, to the point that I'm already thinking of making the switch.   May hold off to demo the Fischer's which my shop of choice carries, but they won't have them in their demo program for a few weeks.   Just wanted to thank the posters above for their comments and reviews.

post #84 of 126

Pulled the trigger on a pair of Rally's yesterday.   Was told that the factory bevels are set to 1-1.   First off, is that accurate?  Second, I know many on this forum would go to a 2 or 3 side bevel.  But as an upper intermediate skier who was perfectly happy on the demo Rallys with their factory bevel (whatever it was), am I fine keeping it as is, or do I really loose a ton performance wise?

post #85 of 126
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Pulled the trigger on a pair of Rally's yesterday.   Was told that the factory bevels are set to 1-1.   First off, is that accurate?  Second, I know many on this forum would go to a 2 or 3 side bevel.  But as an upper intermediate skier who was perfectly happy on the demo Rallys with their factory bevel (whatever it was), am I fine keeping it as is, or do I really loose a ton performance wise?

You need an acute angle on the edges, a 1*/1* tune will not ski well, it cannot displace snow. The factory tune should be a 1*/2* but either way as we have said in the Tune New skis? thread that even a new ski can benefit for a good tune but I will also add that should be done but not only any shop but a shop that i very experienced and does a lot of race caliber skis. 

post #86 of 126
IMExperience, the supershapes need to be flattened in the shovel. They're excellent skis that can still really benefit from a great tune and regular waxing regiment. 1/2... 1/3 for east coast maybe.
post #87 of 126
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Originally Posted by njdiver85 View Post

Pulled the trigger on a pair of Rally's yesterday.   Was told that the factory bevels are set to 1-1.   First off, is that accurate?  Second, I know many on this forum would go to a 2 or 3 side bevel.  But as an upper intermediate skier who was perfectly happy on the demo Rallys with their factory bevel (whatever it was), am I fine keeping it as is, or do I really loose a ton performance wise?

Demo skis don't have factory bevels, they have been tuned by the reps/shops. The Atomic skis reps bring to local mole hill is 1/2 from what I was told.
post #88 of 126
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Originally Posted by njdiver85 View Post

Pulled the trigger on a pair of Rally's yesterday.   Was told that the factory bevels are set to 1-1.   First off, is that accurate?  Second, I know many on this forum would go to a 2 or 3 side bevel.  But as an upper intermediate skier who was perfectly happy on the demo Rallys with their factory bevel (whatever it was), am I fine keeping it as is, or do I really loose a ton performance wise?

Demo skis don't have factory bevels, they have been tuned by the reps/shops. The Atomic skis reps bring to local mole hill is 1/2 from what I was told.
You are assuming that all the demo skis have been tuned. I have been to industry demo days there the skis have never been tuned to has bad tunes.
post #89 of 126

I spoke to the demo shop at the mountain (Mount Snow), and then confirmed with the mountain's tuning service that takes care of all the demo skis.  Apparently at this particular mountain, they put the new skis into the demo program straight out of the wrapper with no additional tuning.  When they are in need of a tune, they are tuned to the factory bevels, which the case of the Head Rally, is 1-1.  Interestingly,there is demo day scheduled for this Saturday where factory reps will be on sight, so I plan to ask the Head rep about all of this as well and get his thoughts.

 

Regardless of what I learn, my plan will be to ski my new Rallys with the factory tune for two days, then have them tuned by someone I trust to bring them to 1-2 for the near future.

post #90 of 126
That's interesting. The ones I've been to are where the rep haul a van load of ski and set up tent, I've asked them what they set the edge at and it's usually 1/2.
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