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post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

Time for new boots. But before beginning the arduous, I would like to narrow the field and start with a list of lasts to try. I am so very grateful for you and your expertise in helping make this a little more efficient.

 

Current boots: Nordica Dobermann Jr. Race boots, size 275 mm with Zip-fit liners. (the stock liner did not take up enough volume even in the race boot.)

 

What I like about them: They are narrow enough; they are responsive and have a good snow feel.

 

What I don't like about them: Despite the best fit I've ever had (the only boots that didn't cause real pain) my big toenails go black every season.  They have horrid, perfectly smooth soles that build up ice. I do a fair amount of hiking and boot packing and if I'm not very careful about getting the ice off, I get pre-releases which have been dangerous in the past. (not to mention treacherous in lodge) I'm not exaggerating here; they quickly build up large ice (not snow) clumps that practically require a pick-axe to get off - which is usually not available on a windy ridgeline....;-P)

 

My foot: very, very  narrow with a high, bony instep and unusually long toes (hence the black toenails). (may be that they are short to get the lower volume.)

 

What I'd like to have: An equally narrow fit but with room in the toe box. equally good or better performance. A walk mode that is suitable for light touring and boot-packing. Soles that won't build up ice like the Dobermanns.

 

 

 

There are good boot fitters around here, so I'm not adverse to something that may require being ground or punched. I would have just gone with the Fisher vacuum but the 100s of pages of complaints about them give me pause.

 

So can you all help me start this adventure with a list of potentials?

 

Thank you so very much!

post #2 of 9

what you had was 100 flex and 98mm.  There are true race boots that are 95 (so will hold your foot in place better) but no walk modes usually.

 

For narrow and walkable, I would try the rossi altracks, or the technica cochise 105 (the ladies 105 is the 98mm boot and is the same shape as the 130 pro)  The cochise might be a bit long for you in 280mm, but that also might give you the toe length you are after..

 

 the K2 boots might work too?.  not sure if they make a real size 23?

 

also check some of the touring boot brands.  They make very skiable shapes now too....

post #3 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thanks MntLion.

post #4 of 9

what do the markings on the side of the boot say? is it WC 100 or pro 100?

 

if it is the WC 100, you will not find that fit or that kind of powerful snappy plastic in any releasable cuff boot with a rubberized walking sole.

 

if you take the things that you like about your boots:

 

"What I like about them: They are narrow enough; they are responsive and have a good snow feel."

 

and what you are looking for in a new boot:

 

"What I'd like to have: An equally narrow fit but with room in the toe box. equally good or better performance. A walk mode that is suitable for light touring and boot-packing. Soles that won't build up ice like the Dobermanns."

 

​there is a disconnect in terms of shelf ready women's product that is being delivered by the boot suppliers.

 

there are many choices to replace the fit of the dobe, including a new dobe. for improved traction, a vibram style lift plate can be installed on any mono injected performance boot like the one you already own.

 

jim

post #5 of 9

Added to Jim's advice could also be the use of Cat Tracks while walking.

 

Lou

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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
 

what do the markings on the side of the boot say? is it WC 100 or pro 100?
.....

 

for improved traction, a vibram style lift plate can be installed on any mono injected performance boot like the one you already own.

 

jim

 

1. Neither. It's a Jr. boy's race boot. so no "WC" marking. It says "Team 80". But I can tell you I was told (oh maybe almost 10 years ago now!) that it was a "plug" type boot. So, point taken.

 

2. Wow, really?! That could be an answer to one of the issues. It's not traction that I have an problem with so much as it is the snow and ice build-up. It happens within 20 steps of the boot pack, which is not a problem until I go to ski. (I had cat tracks, but they are just not practical to put on and of and on an off each time you hike. a real PITA)

 

Picture this. On top of a windy, steep ridge in some windblown snow, my ski pals waiting, waiting. No place to sit or stand to really scrape the soles. I kick and smash on the bindings as best I can (forget the ski pole; it does absolutely nothing on the ice block) but it's hard when there isn't even a stable platform to use for clicking in. So then I get in the bindings whatever way I can and one time out of 6, I step out of one or both skis. This doesn't happen when I can scrape them clean, but it can be really hard to do in certain circumstances. I've had my bindings and boots checked numerous times and that is not it. So, do you think the Vibram plate would work? It would be great not to have to buy a new pair. With the zipfit linings, they still fit really well, despite their advanced age.

 

BTW, the boot sole is integrated into the boot. there is no "plate" there now; it's all molded in one piece.

 

Thank you by the way for your good feedback. Jim your advice in the past on skis has always been spot on for me too, so I absolutely trust your judgment.

post #7 of 9

team 80 is a jr boot and 98mm shape    wider and softer then a true race/plug boot.

 

so this is good news, so most other 97/98mm shapes should be close, and 23 is avail in all them.  

post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 

That is good news. Thank you!!

post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for your help. I wanted to give feedback FYI in case it's helpful for others you serve with super Low Volume feet. (I can't be the only one)

 

I've been told my current boots are close to the limit where the shop will certify the bindings. So, I tried a bunch of the low volume boots over the season including the skinniest Langes available and the Salomon LV and the Cochise. they were all too loose in the mid-foot and the Salomon wide everywhere.

 

Then I found a Nordica Nina up at Loveland, which is a new, ladies' boot using the same last as the old Dobie I had. It says 100 flex vs the 80 but it actually felt softer (once I got in it). It fit really well and has a longer toe box than the old version which is a great plus and hopefully will prevent my annual black toes. The only issue is that the rivets at the ankle are right on the bone and they even have a metal peg in the middle of them. Why do boot manufacturers do that?! The smooth side ought to be facing in for heaven's sake. It was excruciating, even with the zipfit liners. Since those boots will still need some professional work, I've opted to wait until early next season so I can book a few days in a row to ski and dial them in and then explore the vibram lift plate optoin.

 

As for the walk mode. well you can't always get what you want, but if you try.......

 

Again, thanks for posting.

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