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Pressured Based Steering

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Here is an interesting video I came across on youtube. The general trend in later years has been to call steering carving. Here is an example of the total opposite:

 

post #2 of 10

A nice way to put it.  Thumbs Up

post #3 of 10

I have always been taught to think primarily about pressure on the skis and where I am putting it.

I think ski pressure management is the highest level way to envision the physics of skiing.

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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
 

 The general trend in later years has been to call steering carving. Here is an example of the total opposite:

Thanks for sharing!

 

Why do you consider this an example of steering not = carving?  (For the record, I am not saying that steering does equal carving- while I have been exposed to other idea, I have traditionally associated steering to imply some controlled rotation...not a rail road carve, but certainly not a braking skid either.)  In the video they say something to the effect that good skiers like to carve and that pressure based steering can be used for/accomplish this (I should go back and listen to that part again, but have to get going).

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Thanks for sharing!

 

Why do you consider this an example of steering not = carving?  (For the record, I am not saying that steering does equal carving- while I have been exposed to other idea, I have traditionally associated steering to imply some controlled rotation...not a rail road carve, but certainly not a braking skid either.)  In the video they say something to the effect that good skiers like to carve and that pressure based steering can be used for/accomplish this (I should go back and listen to that part again, but have to get going).

 

Based on the title of the video: Pressure based steering

 

In the old days before the shaped skis we would make all of our turns through steering. Initiating a skid angle and then passively or actively turning the skis under us into a turn of varying radius and edging. Then when the carving ski came along we all of a sudden had a new way of skiing: carving. For many years these two tracks whent parallel but somewhere along the way the word "carving" was adopted also for steered turns. Ski schools liked this ide since most clients wanted to learn how to carve. Now they could name all their lessons "carving lessons". At the same time the true destinction between Carving and Steering became muddy but that was a small price to pay because upper level skiers were eather debating over semantics, knew what the true destinciton was or just didnt giving a ratts behind.

 

Thats why this approach is interesting. Insted of calling everything Carving they call it Steering. And they have two main tracks: pivot based and pressure based steering. Same as Steering and Carving. Somehow the Brittish definitions sound more logical. Just as you steer a car you also steer yourself as you are carving. And every turn can have a "steering angle". Not the same as a "skidding angle". Or should I say "pivot angle". See, it all makes perfectly sence.

 

I whent back and listened to the video voiceover. This is what they said: You are most likely to produce curves that are carved or nearly carved as you develop skill with this steering blend.... 

 

So they still recognice the word Carving but assosiate it with high skill level. That sounds about right to me. Here are the 3 main purposes for pressure based steering according to the voice over:

 

- generate speed

- turn safely when trawel quickly

- flow easily over gentle slope

 

Looked at the other videos and Im really fond of their way of presenting modern ski technique. Hatts off, great work BASS. Extra points for the specially composed music!

post #6 of 10
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Here is the Pivot Based Steering video:

 

post #7 of 10

Excellent juxtaposition.  It really points out what carving, er, um, I mean pressure based steering is all about. Thumbs Up 

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Excellent juxtaposition.  It really points out what carving, er, um, I mean pressure based steering is all about. Thumbs Up

 

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I thought that this thread would be about what you do to turn when the situation is such that your gastrointestinal pressure is near the pants filling level.

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I thought that this thread would be about what you do to turn when the situation is such that your gastrointestinal pressure is near the pants filling level.

 

Or when you have to pull off a slow steered demo turn at an L1 exam :eek

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