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post #61 of 89
+1 for the Canadian uniforms, very sharp and you KNOW what country that is from.
post #62 of 89
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Originally Posted by Ewok View Post

There have been some tasteful and patriotic ways to incorporate the flag as an article of clothing but this is not one of them, and veterans may be offended. Here is the section from the US Flag Code:

No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

Hello?????

I'm not a war vet, nor even a particularly staunch advocate for "flag purity".  However.... I was raised with some sense of common respect for symbols.  And the US Flag code pretty much says it right here.  You can go find it yourself: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

 

It might be different if this were an individual choice to honor or not honor this code.  That's everyone's right of free speech and I'm OK with that. 

But how can the US Olympic team -- which is supposedly a nationally-endorsed representation of our country --- not hold to federal law????

post #63 of 89
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Originally Posted by tch View Post

Hello?????

I'm not a war vet, nor even a particularly staunch advocate for "flag purity".  However.... I was raised with some sense of common respect for symbols.  And the US Flag code pretty much says it right here.  You can go find it yourself: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf

 

It might be different if this were an individual choice to honor or not honor this code.  That's everyone's right of free speech and I'm OK with that. 

But how can the US Olympic team -- which is supposedly a nationally-endorsed representation of our country --- not hold to federal law????

 



I don't think you understood what I was trying to say, I was on my phone and responding to this post, basically backing up Dakine in response to his wifes comments:

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Originally Posted by dakine View Post

A lot of war vet are not going to be happy with that use of our flag.



I'm not either and don't think the US flag should ever be used for decoration.



Too many guys have died under it to trivialize it.



My wife disagrees with me.


 



The section of US Code that I copy and pasted came from the same document you linked to, it's in this section:

§ 8. Respect for Flag.

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform.
However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel,
firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag
represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the
lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

And yes, I agree that this uniform does go against the US Flag Code, which is in Title 4 United States Code. However, this little paragrah in the begining of the CRS Report for Congress spells out the "respect vs disrespect" from the code:

The Federal Flag Code does not purport to cover all possible situations.
Although the Code empowers the President of the United States to alter, modify,
repeal, or prescribe additional rules regarding the flag(4 4 U.S.C. § 10.), no federal agency has the
authority to issue “official” rulings legally binding on civilians or civilian groups.
Consequently, different interpretations of various provisions of the Code may
continue to be made. The Flag Code itself, however, suggests a general rule by
which practices involving the flag may be fairly tested: “No disrespect should be
shown to the flag of the United States of America.”(5 4 U.S.C. § 8.) Therefore, actions not
specifically included in the Code may be deemed acceptable as long as proper respect
is shown.

I bet the Olympic Committee feels that proper respect has been shown and they may not even be aware of Tite 4. I am a vetran, and even though I would never buy one of these jackets with the flag on the sleve, and I would never do anything to the flag against Title 4, I freely support the rights of Americans to show respect to their country in thier own way, and to voice their opinions about it good or bad. And I thank you for being aware and respecting the history of our symbols of freedom.
post #64 of 89
I have reviewed my previous post after reading Ecimmortal' s comment and would like to amend my post and remove the sugar coating and state ,this uniform is an embarrassment for the US Snowboard Team and the Olympic officials that approved this clothing need to be removed.

This clothing is just plain awful, Period.
post #65 of 89

While I hold the flag reverent and don't intend to read the regs as far as flag usage, I also find the uniforms embarrassing and disappointing.  98 percent of US skiers and snowboarders are so much better than this portrays.

post #66 of 89

Ewok,

Sorry, I wasn't questioning you; I was calling attention to the fact that you had posted this pretty definitive statement by the Code and no one -- and certainly not the Olympic Committee -- seemed to have acknowledged that point.  
I agree that the "this does not cover all situations" paragraph probably covers the rear end of the Olympic Committee.  However, my own take is that if I (about as hippy-dippy liberal as you can be) find it in poor taste I can't imagine that other, more traditional folks think it's a good representation.  If they had wanted to go with the "American quilt" theme, they didn't need to drag the flag into it. 

Ah well....

Best,

tch

post #67 of 89

Just plain awful just about says it all.

post #68 of 89
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Originally Posted by gregmerz View Post
 

While I hold the flag reverent and don't intend to read the regs as far as flag usage, I also find the uniforms embarrassing and disappointing.  98 percent of US skiers and snowboarders are so much better than this portrays.

 

Historically at epicski the Scsa rate is 97%. Would you accept that figure?

post #69 of 89
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post
 

I hear the hockey jerseys are, um, controversial.  The design is nice, I guess, but Canada is so traditional about its hockey. These look like soccer jerseys. And the painted-on laces??

 

Our snowboard uniforms.......awesome.  Our hockey uniforms......shameful.  Uninspired design is at least forgivable, but the fake laces is so wrong it's not funny.  And the black and red?  Brutal.  Canada may be less fussed about "the flag" for our uniforms, but we are absolutely nutjobs when it comes to hockey, and the new hockey jerseys are wrong on so many levels.  Word is they got an American to design the Canadian hockey jerseys LOL.  SIGH.

 

As for the American snowboard uniforms.......y'all got snow-jobbed.  I won't comment on the flag interpretation stuff, but the uniforms are brutal.  They lack any visual punch, and appear to pander to the "hip youth" movement rather than the "American" movement.  I'd say Burton focused too much on their target market and forgot who they were actually representing at the Olympics. Important distinction.  Epic fail on those uniforms.

post #70 of 89

Did you see the Freeskiing Uniform? 

Implements the stars and stripes without disrespecting the flag. 

 

http://gearjunkie.com/usa-freeskiing-olympic-uniforms

 

post #71 of 89
To be clear I actually like the left sleeve of the snowboard jacket. Probably the most creative part. The Burton logo over it though is a disgrace. I know we had the whole Roots hat logo in 2002- almost as bad.
post #72 of 89
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
 

Did you see the Freeskiing Uniform? 

Implements the stars and stripes without disrespecting the flag. 

 

http://gearjunkie.com/usa-freeskiing-olympic-uniforms

 


Despite the fact a few of them look like they're wearing something 4 sizes too big and could fly away at any minute with a gust of wind, the designs themselves are quite nice; simple, clean, stylish, bright, and apparently respectful.  Rather well done, good representation for the Americans.

 

 

As for the snowboard uniforms, it's important to remember a fundamental design mantra: Sometimes, less is more.  It seems the snowboard designer slept through that class in Design 101.

post #73 of 89

More on Canada's Hockey Jerseys:

 

Frank Gunn/The Canadian Press

 

Hey, at least they're 15% lighter than the last Olympic Jerseys. They're not that bad are they? They do look a bit like t shirt designs.

Was Rob Ford involved?
 

Quote:http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/10/08/sochi-2014-here-is-canadas-hockey-jersey-for-the-olympics/

 

Essential to the fabric of Canadian culture, the jersey represents national pride. Taking inspiration from the iconic designs of vintage Canadian jerseys, the 2014 jersey is also 15 per cent lighter than the 2010 Nike hockey jersey, with a modern neckline incorporating Nike flywire and lightweight graphic badges.

RED JERSEY
The iconic red jersey celebrates the rich history of hockey in Canada. From the vintage-inspired logo on the new lightweight front crest to the Canadian flag on the sleeve and the maple leaf graphics on the shoulders, the new jersey represents Canada from top to bottom.

 

WHITE JERSEY
Unmistakably Canadian, the white jersey is the perfect complement to the red. With ‘Canada’ standing out proudly in red on the white background of the front logo and the country’s colours flowing through the asymmetrical stripe on the left arm, this jersey is a perfect representation of the pride Canadians feel when it comes to hockey.

 

BLACK JERSEY
To round out the exciting collection of jerseys for the 2014 Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games, Hockey Canada chose to add a black third jersey. Inspired by memorable vintage Team Canada jerseys, this jersey will inspire our Olympians to win again. The bold ‘Canada’ word mark on the chest reminds the world of Canada’s hockey heritage, while the gold piping on the badges and gold maple leaf on the shoulders remind the world of Canada’s goal to win gold medals in Sochi.

 

post #74 of 89
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

More on Canada's Hockey Jerseys:

 

Frank Gunn/The Canadian Press

 

Hey, at least they're 15% lighter than the last Olympic Jerseys. They're not that bad are they? They do look a bit like t shirt designs.

Was Rob Ford involved?
 


Those look like those promotional jerseys they give away free at special events.  Is the spray paint still wet on those?  Betting no fight strap, not that they need those in the Olympics hahahaha..

post #75 of 89

That Olympic outfit from Burton would be good if you were selling it at Dicks.

post #76 of 89
Do they sell the same design to the public? If they do that could influence their design decision.
post #77 of 89

No doubt that's EXACTLY what they're doing.  It's about the dollars, with the Olympic competition and country pride very distant runners-up.

post #78 of 89
I think they have sold them in the past, at least the torn jean snowboard pants, I think they sold the jackets too, maybe without some of the patches.
post #79 of 89
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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post

No doubt that's EXACTLY what they're doing.  It's about the dollars, with the Olympic competition and country pride very distant runners-up.


Isn't that what the Olympic spirit is all about anyway? biggrin.gif
post #80 of 89
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

Do they sell the same design to the public? If they do that could influence their design decision.


Supposedly they will not be selling the design. They will be selling hats and t-shirts. That according to the Daily Mail article.

 

More on the design:


Chief Creative Officer, Greg Dacyshyn, spoke about the quilt and how it led to the development of the final design:

 

“We had done a mock-up and then it was about the hunt to find a really cool quilt with the proper colors. We were always going to vintage fairs for our main line and then we found this one. It wasn’t perfect, so we took it back to Vermont. And there’s a kid that works with us as a designer and his grandmother actually is a master quiltmaker, so she took the whole thing apart and sewed it all how we wanted to see it. I thought it came out really cool. It’s a good blend and good colors and something that’s not expected.”

http://www.womentalksports.com/items/read/365/1687541


 

 

post #81 of 89

 

 

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Originally Posted by KovasP View Post
 

 

And it's light years ahead of this year's German uniform: (kind of surprising for the Germans actually)

 

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   ^   FUN, Nice!  Thumbs Up

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by tanscrazydaisy View Post
 

http://coed.com/2013/10/29/the-north-face-us-freeskiing-olympic-uniforms/

 

Not impressed.  The snowboarders have better uniforms

 

  ^    Loehmann's/Marshalls/Paramus NJ style - YUKE !!!!!

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
 

Photos: Burton Snowboards         Men's Olympic Village Jacket

 

Men's Competition Jacket

 

 

Women's Competition Jacket

 

 

 

  ^   Nice! I likie !!!! captures the sport and style

 

 

THIS, however, IS SO SADDDDD !!!!!

 

incomprehensibly awful :( 

post #82 of 89

Since this was originally about snowboard uniforms, I started another thread about USA Olympic uniforms here USA Olympic Uniforms for Sochi

 

Shall we merge the threads?  I probably should have posted that information here and renamed this thread. 

:dunno

post #83 of 89

The freeskiing uniforms look boring and uninspiring. I often come across similar looks at the discount rack at TJ Maxx.

 

Canadian snowboarding uniforms are an eyesore.

 

And contrary to most opinions here, I have nothing against the Burton uniform aside from the misplaced logo. The patchwork look is actually growing on me.

post #84 of 89
I bet a lot of younger people aren't even aware there are rules about using the flag as decoration. Common usage patterns have shifted, so most don't realize this is wrong.

Bunting exists to give flag - references without being a flag.
post #85 of 89

Jacket goes pretty well with some gold medal run swagger...

sage kotsenburg

post #86 of 89
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

Do they sell the same design to the public? If they do that could influence their design decision.

 

 

Of course. Burton just took this as another way to hit his target market and ran with it. Forget that they are representing our country. Its all about pushing his company. I absolutely loathe that company. They dont get a penny of my money even though I have a young snowboarding son. When we were board shopping I told him to pick something other than Burton because I wont support them. Luckily he like the Libtech boards better anyway.

post #87 of 89

For whatever reason, I like the german ones best. I think Canada's are cheesy as hell and look like some sort of warm up suit for an NBA team from the early 90's. The TJ Maxx comment about the North Face ones is spot on. 

post #88 of 89
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Originally Posted by Kardinal View Post
 

 

 

Of course. Burton just took this as another way to hit his target market and ran with it. Forget that they are representing our country. Its all about pushing his company. I absolutely loathe that company. They dont get a penny of my money even though I have a young snowboarding son. When we were board shopping I told him to pick something other than Burton because I wont support them. Luckily he like the Libtech boards better anyway.

Burton has become the largest snowboard manufacturer by creating innovative and solid product. I am in no means a Big B (Burton) fan boy but to "absolutely loathe" a company for being successful and progressing the sport, well you lost me. Why do you hate Burton so much?   

post #89 of 89
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Originally Posted by SVmike View Post
 

Burton has become the largest snowboard manufacturer by creating innovative and solid product. I am in no means a Big B (Burton) fan boy but to "absolutely loathe" a company for being successful and progressing the sport, well you lost me. Why do you hate Burton so much?   

I dont loathe them for being successful or progressing the sport.

 

Some of their business practices are really shitty. Making a lot of small brick and mortar stores by huge amounts of their merchandise in order to allowed to sell the brand for instance. Also, their products can be very proprietary as far as compatibility with other bindings etc.(Think Apple of snowboards) Leaving Vermont and shutting down the plant there to go overseas for cheaper labor, etc..

 

Emblazoning the flag on the unis with their logo speaks volumes to me.

 

I fully realize that Burton is not alone in these practices, but they try to portray themselves as if they are this "everyman" organization and they aren't. I have more respect for conglomerates like K2 who don't leave any doubt as to what they are.

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