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Post skiing foot pain- first day, new boots

post #1 of 27
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First day skiing this past Saturday. In a new pair of boots, with my Intuition Dreamliner out of old boots, not heat molded.

First off, these boots were fitted by a fitter that posts here.

So, Saturday was first day of the season. Boots felt great most of the day. At one point my feet hurt, but that always seems to happen to me, especially early on. Neither buckle on top of foot was too tight, or tight at all really. Skied about a half day, and felt good at the end of it. When I got to the car and took my boots off, feet immediately start killing me. It was painful to walk.

But the time I got home a few hours later, they still hurt, and actually felt like they were swollen. Most of the pain is concentrated on the lateral area of the right foot. Not just the side of the foot, but the bottom of the foot on the little toe side. The left foot is affected too, but not as bad as the right side. They aren't as painful now, but definitely "feel" swollen when I step out of bed in the morning and are still sore.

These boots are a bit narrower than my last pair, (Atomic Hawkx vs Btech) but don't think that's the issue, maybe it is. I didn't heat mold my liners to this boot. They had already been molded once to my foot, in the old boots. These are dreamliners which don't "require" heat molding if you don't want to. I might try stock liners next time out. Might also remold liners.

Anyone had a issue similar? Post skiing swelling in feet? I was hoping this is an early season shock to my feet.
post #2 of 27

Remold the liners

post #3 of 27
Did you tell the boot fitter ? Can you stop by and see him or her ?

My new Lange's RX120 felt great the first day and every day since.
post #4 of 27
Thread Starter 
Not yet. I think I'll try and ski them again, and see how it goes. The boots aren't uncomrtable.
post #5 of 27

Is it possible you had a kink in your sock around where the right foot hurt?  It may have been numb while you were skiing then lit up when you took the boot off and had the blood return to the pressure point.

 

If you DIY try a day with the other liners or bake the intuitions again.  If you can get to a boot fitter bring both sets of liners in with the boots and see what the recommend.. that is if sock crease can't possibly be the problem.

post #6 of 27
One more thought, are you wearing the thinnest sock possible ? You shouldn't be wearing thick socks. I use liner socks or smartwool ultra-light's.
post #7 of 27
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One more thought, are you wearing the thinnest sock possible ? You shouldn't be wearing thick socks. I use liner socks or smartwool ultra-light's.

Absolutely. I use the Euro Sock Micro Supreme Superlite , haven't found anything thinner. And really don't think anything could be except hose.

Cr, this isn't a sock kink type pain. Is about a 5 inch long, 2 inch wide area of the foot extending down from the small toes.
You're probably right about it going to sleep.

I'm going to heat mold the intuitions again, and try the stocks.
post #8 of 27
Are we sure the boot's are the correct width for your feet ? Lange XT = 97mm last, Lange RX = 100mm last, Lange SX = 102mm for wide feet. I'm sure other boots mfg's do the same.
Edited by Max Capacity - 12/4/13 at 11:55am
post #9 of 27

Pinched nerve between the fourth and fifth metatarsals (foot bones). Possible fixes--looser lower buckles, especially the lowest, give liners chance to mold themselves, heat mold them (but I believe they shrink some when you remold them), have fitter punch or grind side of boot.

post #10 of 27
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Are we sure the boot's are the correct width for your feet ? Lange XT = 97mm last, Lange RX = 100mm last, Lange SX = 102mm for wide feet. I'm sure other boots mfg's do the same.

I would assume so, I trust the fitter.

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Pinched nerve between the fourth and fifth metatarsals (foot bones). Possible fixes--looser lower buckles, especially the lowest, give liners chance to mold themselves, heat mold them (but I believe they shrink some when you remold them), have fitter punch or grind side of boot.
OG, I only close the buckles with little to no pressure on the toes. They've only been molded once, and I didn't get them very hot. I might just spot heat them in that specific area. Ill try a few things before I go back to have she'll work done.

Thanks for the diagnosis. That sounds likely. Funny thing is, these Hawkx have those expansion panels on the side...good thing! Hah
post #11 of 27

I don't know, but whenever my foot makes me feel like I want to jump of a bridge, it's because the lower buckles are to tight.

post #12 of 27
Sounds like either the lower 2 buckles are too tight or the boots are not wide enough...
post #13 of 27

I say ... new boots.  The shell may be tighter so it might be wise to get the liner remolded.  The bootfitter did his/her work and then you put a different liner in the boot.  Is the dreamliner one of their low or high volume liners?  That could definitely make a difference in the boot.  Also, as a skier who totally trusts her bootfitter, tweaks are often necessary and usually minor.  Give it a few ski days  (5-8) and then go back.  That's why we got to a bootfitter for the purchase in the first place.

post #14 of 27

I believe the OP when he says the buckles are loose.  Normally with new boots you give them 5 days or so to pack out, but these are already packed out liners so no reason to wait 5-8 days to go back to fitter or remold the liners.

 

Or you could do what I do when my neuromas start acting up when I'm hiking--hit myself in the head with an ice ax or trekking pole. The foot hurts less for a little while.  

post #15 of 27
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I believe the OP when he says the buckles are loose.  Normally with new boots you give them 5 days or so to pack out, but these are already packed out liners so no reason to wait 5-8 days to go back to fitter or remold the liners.

Or you could do what I do when my neuromas start acting up when I'm hiking--hit myself in the head with an ice ax or trekking pole. The foot hurts less for a little while.  
Haha, that might be the ticket. Self inflicted Blows to the head.

Low volume liner btw.

Put it this way, at one point my 2nd buckle was sticking straight up. I know people, it's hard to believe, but my lower two buckles are only tight enough to not come open..most of the time.

Don't know if I'd call these intuitions "packed out" as they don't have a lot of days in them at all. 8 maybe? I'm thinking maybe just a difference in shell shape against the liner. The B-Tech is indeed a wider last boot than the Hawx. I might need to create a little more room in that area, and I think I'll be able to do that with remolding, just a little bit. Im going to try and do it with the liner before resorting to punching the shell.
I'm pretty sure I can create more room at the little toe by heating the liner and tightening the buckles a little more than I'd normally wear them in that area, ( that I don't normally tighten).

Thanks for the feedback. This swelling feeling was just unusual, so I was thinking/posting outloud. The feedback helps me think things out. And of course, if it comes down to it,I'll go back to my fitter and I know he can make it work.
Edited by WC68 - 12/4/13 at 8:22pm
post #16 of 27

I'm in line wit a few others that suggest that you have the liners baked in the new shells.  I'm very sure there is enough difference in shell contours to make putting liners molded to another shell a real bad idea for foot comfort.

 

I did something similar tho...new boots and opted not to have liners heated until after a few days because they felt really great unmolded.  2 and 1/2 days on snow later and I can't wait for my fitters appointment this coming saturday......I had  feet cramps from hell the last snow day when I finally had the chance to remove the boots!  I also had more than usual discomfort skiing that day due to the unmolded liners----I hope!

post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
Feet still just weird in the mornings when I get up. Throughout the day, they gradually feel more normal.mad.gif
post #18 of 27
May be go to a shoe store and measure the width of your feet to see if both are 97mm or 100mm or 102mm.

Then figure what what the width of the liner is in the boot.
Edited by Max Capacity - 12/5/13 at 5:43am
post #19 of 27
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Don't know if I'd call these intuitions "packed out" as they don't have a lot of days in them at all. 8 maybe? I'm thinking maybe just a difference in shell shape against the liner. The B-Tech is indeed a wider last boot than the Hawx.

Packed out probably not the best words to use--I meant the initial breaking in period with new boots doesn't apply here. I wonder if your fitter would mold them for you as part of the initial fitting, for free. It's nice to have the Intuition oven and extra hands. Some people like to use an extra toe cap for the molding. 

post #20 of 27

I had a similar problem a few years back. Brand new boots, custom fit by a reputable bootfitter. Took them out on snow for the first time and felt like I had my feet crushed in a vice .. very painful even after I had been out of the boot for a while. I assumed they needed a bit of a stretch, because it felt like the boot was too narrow.

 

Back to the bootfitter and he diagnosed the problem after examining the pressure pattern on the footbeds. Turns out I was pronating slightly inside the boot which was placing all the weight and pressure on the little toe edge of my foot. A couple of foam strips under the big toe/ball area brought the footbed more in line with my anatomy and allowed more even distribution of pressure.  Never had a problem after that simple fix.

 

Not saying you've got the same issue, but a return trip to the bootfitter for some adjustments may be in order. Even the best boot fitters may take a couple of tries to get them right.  I'm assuming your guy will stand by his work and work with you to correct the issue with no charge! 

 

Good luck!!

post #21 of 27
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Packed out probably not the best words to use--I meant the initial breaking in period with new boots doesn't apply here. I wonder if your fitter would mold them for you as part of the initial fitting, for free. It's nice to have the Intuition oven and extra hands. Some people like to use an extra toe cap for the molding. 
This is what I was thinking. The inside of your Intuitions is molded to your feet, and the outside is molded to your old boot. Seems likely that the new shell is shaped differently in that area. If I had this going on I'd consult with my fitter. He might bake the boot gratis, suggest that you bake it, or think that you need more room in the shell and it's not the liner at all.
post #22 of 27
What you are describing is a very common set of symptoms among runners and other athletes. I've had it too, though not from skiing.

It almost always seems to result from a return to sport (start of season), new shoes, or dramatically increased program. In other words... It sounds like it is in big measure an overuse issue. That doesn't preclude something else too. But I bet with sufficient rest and gradual increase in use it gets better.

Could be peroneal tendon. The peroneal longus runs there and can cause pain on the lateral sole area. If this is it, make sure you are supported in the boot/sole properly. Good chance it has nothing to do with the liner/boot and lack of space in that area and more to do with either plain overuse or that combined with poor alignment/support.

Rest is going to be key. These things can linger... Or get worse.
post #23 of 27
Chances are he didn't get an overuse injury in one day. Seems more likely that the sudden pain would be related to the one variable that changed on that particular day.
post #24 of 27
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Chances are he didn't get an overuse injury in one day. Seems more likely that the sudden pain would be related to the one variable that changed on that particular day.

You mean like the variable of not skiing for months... And then going into an aggressive sport for 4-6 hours?

People get all sorts of "overuse" injuries in one day-- or that manifest themselves in one day on return to sport. That doesn't mean that if you could visualize the anatomy you wouldn't have found issues predating that day. Nor that the changed variable of equipment isn't a factor (changed equipment is what helps create an overuse type injury/pain even when that equipment is corrective... Which is why even corrective equipment must be eased into).

It is essentially an overuse type injury if it wasn't an acute moment when the injury occurred. Go out for a 10 mile run after 6 months off and you get a sore knee without twisting anything and you've got an overuse injury in one day. We could argue semantics. The runner might have a degenerative process that's been going on for years-- but might only be supported not reversed. Or new shoes. But none do that precludes a one day overuse injury. Maybe if that runner went out for 2 miles the first day, then 5 the next couple sessions, then slowly higher she wouldn't have gotten the injury... despite the new shoes and degenerative process (aka aging).
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
Justruss, thanks, makes sense. Feels better this morning. It will be at least another 7 days until I can ski again. If the even. Ill put the boots on next week and see how they feel and where there pressured points.

Btw, they intuitions didn't come from my fitter. He doesn't sell those. If I do anything to them ill be doing it.
post #26 of 27
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Chances are he didn't get an overuse injury in one day. Seems more likely that the sudden pain would be related to the one variable that changed on that particular day.

You mean like the variable of not skiing for months... And then going into an aggressive sport for 4-6 hours?

People get all sorts of "overuse" injuries in one day-- or that manifest themselves in one day on return to sport. That doesn't mean that if you could visualize the anatomy you wouldn't have found issues predating that day. Nor that the changed variable of equipment isn't a factor (changed equipment is what helps create an overuse type injury/pain even when that equipment is corrective... Which is why even corrective equipment must be eased into).

It is essentially an overuse type injury if it wasn't an acute moment when the injury occurred. Go out for a 10 mile run after 6 months off and you get a sore knee without twisting anything and you've got an overuse injury in one day. We could argue semantics. The runner might have a degenerative process that's been going on for years-- but might only be supported not reversed. Or new shoes. But none do that precludes a one day overuse injury. Maybe if that runner went out for 2 miles the first day, then 5 the next couple sessions, then slowly higher she wouldn't have gotten the injury... despite the new shoes and degenerative process (aka aging).
You've got a point, and it's not on the top of your head. smile.gif

I do agree that an injury that seems to come out of nowhere can be caused by previous overuse, even if there was no previous sign of injury. However, in accordance with the KISS principal (or Occam's Razor) I just tend to go with the most obvious causal relationship before moving on to the next. Therefore, I based my thoughts on WC68's statement that 1) this was his first day in these boots, 2) they're narrower than his previous boots, and 3) his pain was on the lateral side of the foot, which is where I've had pain from shoes that were too narrow. If a remold of his liners and/or a visit to his fitter didn't immediately give him relief, I'd expect a visit to an orthopod.

BTW, WC68, I suggest staying out of your new boots if the post-skiing pain continues. Three toes on my right foot that both hurt and were numbed by bad boots stayed numb for months after my first full season ended. I feel lucky that I didn't get permanent nerve damage.

ETA: I mean if you get pain after further skiing, not if it takes several days for the current pain to go away.
post #27 of 27

Totally, litterbug. 

 

A good bootfitter or doc would be able to sort it out in a couple minutes in person I suspect. There's definitely a limit to speculative, at-a-distance guessing by Internet strangers! 

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